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in the past the gold standard you're in

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the para cast with gene Steinberg and

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Chris O'Brien and this week we're going

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to go to Europe once again you know over

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the years we have talked to UFO and

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power and Alma researchers from around

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the world the power cast as you know is

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heard all over the globe we have

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listeners in China we have listeners in

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world and we've reached out to Europe

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because of an interesting analysis

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posted on what we call a viral UFO video

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on YouTube we reached out to yari Nicola

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he's editor of the Journal of anomalous

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Sciences and that's part of a

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conglomeration of websites called the

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dimensions own sounds almost like The

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Twilight Zone the dimension zone is that

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because you grew up in America Yowie

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years old in the United States and I did

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as a matter of fact enjoy The Twilight

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okay so did that influence you at all

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very much I think that that was a pretty

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much the onset one thing that I you know

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my first ghost sighting was when I was

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about eight years old okay okay now

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we're hearing things here okay let's

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start your child is that the first thing

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that happened to you was the ghost

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sighting at 8:00 yeah actually no no my

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grandmother told me a story later on you

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know when I was in I came back for a

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year of high school from Finland and

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while I was doing my year in high school

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she told me a story when I was 5 years

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old that I was sitting on a on the porch

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talking to somebody and when my aunt

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came out to get me for lunch that she

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asked who I was talking to and I said

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well I'm talking to mr. Gonzalez right

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here and she my aunt says oh really and

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what does he have to say and pretty much

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papers that he had hidden and that he

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wanted his wife to have them

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and my grandmother came out and said

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well you know that mr. Gonzalez passed

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away two weeks ago and I said no I

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didn't even know who mr. Gonzalez is

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he's just sitting here and he wanted to

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talk to me and you're starting to sound

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like the lead character in the u.s. TV

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series medium well you know it's an

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empathic thing and it's I don't have it

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to that sense anymore but I am fairly

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empathic I mean don't try to pull the

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wool over my eyes because I can pretty

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much tell where people are coming from

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almost immediately but that was pretty

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much my first paranormal experience that

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I didn't remember that had to be you

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know related to me but you know getting

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back to when I was nine eight and a half

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my father was the consulate in Los

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Angeles for Finland

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he was the attache there that basically

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marketed finished products in the United

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States and so when he passed away in a

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motorcycle accident on the Santa Monica

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my stepmother remarried because I was my

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real mother died when I was young very

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young and consequently when she

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remarried my half-brothers were kind of

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a royal pain and touched when I tried to

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do homework so I used to go over to the

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same cemetery that Marilyn Monroe is

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buried in to do my homework I found this

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one time well now you're sounding a

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little weird I guess is the phrase here

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okay so how old are you again you're

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Monroe's burial site I used to go to the

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international school you know with the

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embassy and mostly it was Spanish

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students most of the South American

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countries that I have embassies in Los

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Angeles went to this school and it was

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on the opposite side I forgot the name

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of the Memorial Cemetery right off the

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tip of my tongue that's what happens

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when you get older but I used to take a

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shortcut through the cemetery to get to

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our home which was on the opposite side

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just off of Santa Monica Boulevard and

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consequently I found this great little

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Jewish corner the cemetery that had a

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stone table and had these really cool

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engravings on it and I didn't know what

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they said because it was in Hebrew but I

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was able to lay out my books and do my

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homework without any interruption from

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my two little brothers and so one

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evening it was getting pretty dark and I

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saw this woman walking through the

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cemetery and she was sobbing as she's

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walking through so I decided okay I'm

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going to escort her out good boy Scott

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that I was picked up my books and

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started to follow her and as she walked

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into one of the mausoleums I was

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probably about 50 yards behind her and I

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went in behind her and she wasn't there

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so I thought okay maybe I didn't see her

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walk in because I was at the side when

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the door opened a few days later I saw

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her again only this time she looked at

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me she waved at me and she kept on

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a-goin and so I can - behind her and

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then I was almost running and I actually

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followed her within 50 feet into the

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mausoleum and she wasn't there so that

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pretty much told me that I was seeing a

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ghost and when I told my family they

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started laughing at me and so I pulled

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out the old browning that my father had

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given me the last Christmas we'd had

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and I took it with me everyday to the

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cemetery to catch a picture of her I

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never did see her again but that kind of

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started the I guess a trend because for

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the last I'm gonna date myself now but

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for the last 35 years I as I travel the

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world with my work I always go to

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cemeteries and photograph cemeteries

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because I think there was some of the

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most beautiful places around the world

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and it tells me a lot about the cultures

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ghostly or apparition type encounters

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I've got a lot of really cool stuff on

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on film I used to do my own black and

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white developing when I was younger

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because it was much cheaper than getting

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it done I also earned my merit badge

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doing that and then when I went to

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Finland

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photography classes and did that and I

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worked in a photo studio for a while

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while I was working my way through

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a long time than the age of digital

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analysis or digital videos in

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photography came about and I had to

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learn a whole new bag of tricks

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stuff like that actually I didn't start

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learning those until probably I say the

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last five years I used to have to teach

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some clients how to use Adobe Photoshop

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for touching up their photographs for

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presentations and whatnot and and then I

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realized hey there's nothing could be

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done with this and then I started to

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look at photography in general to see

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how I can enhance my pictures not the

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paranormal stuff but the artistic side

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monochromatic modes and then into the

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infrared and did a lot of infrared

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photography which is you get some pretty

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cool effects with infrared okay let's

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get to the chase here let's cut to the

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chase

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yari did you photograph anything weird

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it's paranormal let's just say that I

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have photographed all kinds of weird

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stuff that had happened not only in

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cemeteries but on investigations over

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happening was I was in high school as my

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senior year as I said in the United

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States and just outside the little

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desert community my grandmother lived in

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in Arizona there was a Jewish cemetery

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that on Halloween all the kids would go

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out there and start to mess around there

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to show how brave they were to their to

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their girlfriends well consequently

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during that period of time I was out

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there a couple days before staking it

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out to see just what was so cool about

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this Jewish cemetery and I did catch

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some apparitions by one of the old

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mausoleums and it seemed to be like

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three three personages that were and

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they're partial apparitions on film and

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film to make sure that there was nothing

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wrong with it or any human ticks to

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other people to have a look at and say

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what do you think of this and one of my

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my teachers that taught me she worked in

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the studio

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she said that it looks like you got some

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ghosts out there you gotta be kidding so

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that was really what what kicked it off

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I'm gonna ask you obviously yari whether

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those photos are posted online whether

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we could look at them or have access to

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the negatives if any third parties want

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to analyze them but you'd have to hold

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that thought because that's how it works

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in real radio here if you have a comment

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or a question about the power cast Rytas

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news at the power cast comm news at the

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power cast calm our guest is yari

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McCollough he's editor of the journal of

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anomalous sciences has a website called

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the dimension zone which kind of

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aggregates all sorts of paranormal stuff

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including UFOs we'll get to that in a

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moment I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is

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you know that the global elite are now

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storing non-hybrid seeds and secret

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for survival seed bank comm the GC and

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and great talk-radio starts here hello

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this is John burrows one of the

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witnesses to the Rendlesham UFO incident

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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you're an apparent cast of gene

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Steinberg and Chris O'Brien our guest

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this week is yari Macola

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and he has a site called the dimension

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zone and it sounds a little bit like the

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twilight zone but it's a place where you

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can learn more about his interest in the

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paranormal and the obvious question I

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asked before we had our station break is

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these photos you took of possible

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apparitions are they posted anywhere for

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us to look at as far as the ones that I

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had on film no those are not available

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only because they're in boxes in the

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United States in a storage room as far

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as a lot of the digital I do have some

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digital photography and some of it is

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posted within the dimensions own on the

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pages that you looked at for the

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analysis that everybody's been talking

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about that's a UFO photo analysis that

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we'll get to shortly I hit the last page

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that I'm still haven't submitted is

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actual photographs that I find

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paranormally said either paranormally I

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want to say significant which is they

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are definite paranormal events or

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compelling so I do have some evidence on

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both video and digital that I'd like to

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place okay so you don't mind people

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looking over that stuff to see what's

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going on now about that out of the boxes

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that you have back in the United States

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now are these things that you could

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basically fly over sometime and spend a

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few hours and dig up or what

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you know there's hundreds of photographs

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because again as I mentioned earlier I

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don't know whether we were on the air or

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not but one of my hobbies is

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photographing cemeteries and over the

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years I've taken hundreds and hundreds

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of photographs of cemeteries and I

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haven't really had a chance to catalogue

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them all so they're pretty much stuck in

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envelopes a lot of the newer stuff that

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I have of course it's a lot easier to

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catalogue on digital format because then

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you have files and backups so it would

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take some time but yeah I could probably

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pull some up I don't plan a trip to the

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States until September but yeah the

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reason I asked that is we've had several

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guests on the power cast in recent

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months and they say you know they got

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these photos they've got this they've

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got that and we say can you post them

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online they say yes and

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I'll mention race Stanford so far who

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has a bunch of evidence that he's

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promised to post audio evidence and

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we're still waiting for it hopefully Ted

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Phillips the guy who studies UFO trace

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evidence he's going to post his stuff so

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you know having said that I should tell

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you the people on the power cast

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especially our power cast forums are

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gonna press you to make that trip of

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course they're not gonna pay your plane

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fare unfortunately not well there is a

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few photographs that I posted that were

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sent to me on the photographic analysis

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section of the website thank you sure

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now what did you give our listeners the

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location the reason I'm not actually

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putting the site in front of me right

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now is because they've got background

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music on many of the pages so I think it

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would be great to have the background

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music but you want to listen to the show

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and us talk so I won't play the

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background music but would you tell

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people the direction if they want to go

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to the dimension zone where do they find

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these pages with the pictures the

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easiest way to find it is when you log

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into the dimension stone com you'll be

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greeted by a strange looking portal and

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as you mouse over you'll see the

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different clusters of websites that are

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planned we're not releasing the

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dimension zone we're not going live with

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it even though everything is online

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until September of this year we're also

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planning an event over Waverly Hills

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Sanatorium in Louisville Kentucky to

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kick it off but if you in the bottom

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right hand corner about five o'clock is

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a button for the paranormal when you

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click on that it'll take you into a

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welcome page for the paranormal and it's

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called the Book of Shadows so it does a

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little fun stuff just kind of keep

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people interested and then you can

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either break in or read through it and

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then wait till the key pops up and

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within the Book of Shadows you've got to

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open pages that talk everything from

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about the living death and dying

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entities ghosts spirits but there's a

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section there this called the world of

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knowledge if you click on the world of

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knowledge it'll take you into the

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analysis pages ok so the pictures you

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provide stuff that you've had yourself

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you've taken yourself do you have

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parties analyzed them I do actually you

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know before I ever post anything I have

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colleagues that I concur with you know I

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again reputation is everything and if I

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want to you know call something evidence

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I want to verify that is in fact

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evidence you know a lot of times we we

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get to the point where we want something

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so badly that pareidolia takes effect

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with us auditory or visual pareidolia

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and we that's where you see images that

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aren't really there it's like children

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picking out a bear in the clouds this

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what pair dolly is for your listeners

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that may not be familiar with it matrix

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scene I think is what the taps team

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calls it but when you're looking at

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photography a lot of times the

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pareidolia takes over without you

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realizing that you're doing it so you

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got to make sure that you I'm not

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wanting something bad enough that I find

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something does that make sense kind of a

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Rorschach test

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yeah pretty much and then trust me worse

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as I see all kinds ghosts in those okay

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so yeah obviously have to make sure that

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these images are distinct enough are

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they distinct you see just flashes or

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blurs or do you see hey this looks like

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a guy or a gal or something well exactly

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and you know when you start looking at

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so many photographs of let's say a trip

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that you may have taken to Gettysburg

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you know i I've got a page called the

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world's most haunted and then there's 11

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places and of which I've been to seven

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of them and I you know every time I go

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I'm never disappointed you know

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something paranormal happens whether I

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get some really good EVPs or I get some

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type of of I don't do very much video

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cuz I when I do video I have to watch

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every single frame so it's

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time-consuming but a lot of photographs

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and for an average person to to pick out

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a photograph which viewed the beauty of

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digital age is you can take hundreds of

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photographs and it doesn't cost you

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anything if you didn't catch anything

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but if you're using film and you develop

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a hundred prints you're gonna be paying

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by the small fortune well the problem

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with digital of course and I'm going to

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phrase that is that a lot of those

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pictures are very easy to fake as more

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and more of

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high-end tools become affordable

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accessible you don't have to be a

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professional digital imaging specialist

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to create what to the average person

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would seem a credible fake right exactly

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I never believe anything that I see

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anymore and the reason for my having

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wanting to learn about forensics and

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digital analysis and video digital

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analysis is that I want to be able to

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look to see what people do to create

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fakes years ago I had my own company

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called Safeco in Finland which

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identified viruses and in order to be

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able to identify a virus you have to be

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able to write one okay this is computer

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viruses right correct

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okay correct so you know the same thing

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with with forging a video or forging a

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digital any type of digital photograph

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you know in order for me to be able to

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determine if something is a fake I'm

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kind of being able to create one okay so

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basically the best researcher for

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computer based viruses is someone who

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can fake it so conversely can we also

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say the person who can detect fake

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photos has to know how to create those

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fake photos well I think if they can

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detect it they could create them they

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depends on what their savvy is with

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software because software sometimes you

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mean we need the manual it's like weighs

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say identifying what tools the hoaxers

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had used well that certainly helps and

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the para cast our guest is yari

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McCullough

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he is someone who has photographs made a

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lot of photographs like paranormal

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experiences possible apparitions and I

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suggest you listeners go to the

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dimensions own calm take a look at the

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photos and see if they pass muster with

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you but maybe we should look into your

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technical background so exactly what is

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your professional background what

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qualifies you to even begin to analyze

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digital images well I've been working in

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the IT field for the last 35 years I

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mean I started out working on mainframes

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in basically networking what was

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considered networks at the time which

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was X 400 and then came and you know

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moved into X 25 frame relay etc tetris

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through the ages this is all the stuff

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that most of our listeners wouldn't

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understand except for the mainframe it

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was like the foundation for the Internet

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and consequently my travels had taken me

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all over the place all over the world

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and a lot of my clients like the way

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that I worked and in the way that I

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thought outside the box and this is what

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kind of got me involved with the

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aerospace industry I got into an awful

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software application programming that's

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called s AP which a lot of your global

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500 companies are now starting to turn

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to or even versions you know from other

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publishers that are like it but it's a

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piece that's race to market with it

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about 45 or 48 percent so there's a lot

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of demand for you know people within

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that field and

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I traveled I happen to catch in

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Melbourne Australia that there was of

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course being offered at the University

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there for forensic analysis of crime

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scenes and taking the digital

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photographs or the photographs were

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taken at a crime scene and how to

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identify wood is important in a

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photograph and so that kind of got me

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involved in the investigation aspect of

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forensics and then as the the digital

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age came about I remember buying my

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first digital camera was uh I think two

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megapixel and it cost me roughly around

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five hundred dollars again like 15 or 12

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or something for about ten cents yeah

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you know it's just amazing so the thing

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is is that the resolution was was pretty

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much impeccable at 2 million pixels

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granted compared to today's you know

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resolution it's it's it's it was crude

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and I should mention ladies and

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gentlemen an iPhone for example latest

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iPhone it's 5 megapixels and Matt used

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to be what you get with a high-end

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camera so consider how far we've come

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can I mean just here your camera your

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iPhones or in your phones have more

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resolution even for video capturing then

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a grand of the lenses aren't that great

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but first for storing photos which make

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them great because you usually have your

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phone with you when an event happens or

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were we have okay so let's talk about

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your professional background okay you've

749
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gotten into IT work and you studied

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forensics and consequently while I was

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traveling yeah I got an offer to work

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for NASA and doing their security

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infrastructure and while I was there I

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was I finished the project after two and

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a half years and I did their security I

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was just like leader security I'm

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talking NASA security for for computer

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access okay okay and and I had to go

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through a high-level security clearance

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so I had you know basically I didn't

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have what the president had but I had

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some pretty I could get into some places

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where a lot of people couldn't go and

764
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consequently I did have access to a lot

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of I want to say confidential

766
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information and in order to be able to

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secure you have to talk to people

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one of the people that I ended up

769
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talking to was the director who handles

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a lot of the space photography that

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comes through on the Hubble and also

772
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came through on any of the NASA flights

773
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and so we got to chatting and you know

774
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we became friends and he started to show

775
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me some tricks about taking a look at

776
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photographs after I finished that and I

777
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went to work for the Washington Post and

778
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I'm thinking my journal the Washington

779
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Post for a few months and then was

780
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called back to NASA to help them

781
00:32:00,320 --> 00:31:58,050
digitize actually set up systems for

782
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digitizing all their print video their

783
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print and film now the objective was to

784
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take what they had from these missions

785
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:09,290
that were on there their high-speed

786
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cameras and film and convert them to

787
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:14,070
digital imaging but they needed systems

788
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:15,570
that were large enough to accompany them

789
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:17,370
and that's why I really got to working

790
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:19,740
with a lot of the analysis team on what

791
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they do and how they do it granted I

792
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don't have the toys they had but it was

793
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interesting to be able to be able to see

794
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you know a fly on the back of a camel at

795
00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:35,220
200 miles away it was just amazing now

796
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:38,280
can you do this nowadays on a basic Mac

797
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:40,710
or PC or does it still require mainframe

798
00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:43,830
power no as a matter of fact my laptop

799
00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:45,060
computer that I'm talking to you on

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right now is probably more powerful than

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one of the Krays that I worked on when I

802
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was with Lockheed Martin so it's like

803
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,780
yeah the thing is is that more computers

804
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nowadays are very powerful especially we

805
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can start getting quad and you know the

806
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dual and quad processors so it all

807
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:02,670
depends on how much you want to spend on

808
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a computer or software to be able to a

809
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:08,100
either create hoaxes or be a forensic

810
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:11,820
analyst frankly I don't you know I

811
00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:13,770
couldn't do it as a living I do get a

812
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:15,750
lot of photography sent my direction and

813
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,330
say what do you think of this and a lot

814
00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:20,220
of times I can look at it and say you

815
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:22,670
know pareidolia almost immediately and

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in a lot of cases I can look at and say

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you know this has been hoaxed and in

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some cases I have to say you've got some

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interesting photos here where did happen

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and when can I get there okay now let's

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before we get to the pacer resistance

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the Jerusalem UFO

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and the ones post on YouTube are there

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any other UFO photos that you've

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analyzed and posted information about on

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your site yeah actually all of my

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clients that I've worked with I started

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a project called in the shadows

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paranormal project and it's basically as

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I've been working with different

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paranormal training teams around the

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world and I do a little training with

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them a lot of them are our wannabes to

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be paranormal investigators some of them

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started out as the weekend of I want to

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say ghost hunters and eventually you

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know developed a passion for and wanted

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to know more so this is where I brought

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them under the auspices of the in the

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shadows paranormal project and during

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the project a lot of people send

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photography we analyze it and we send it

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back to them with our responses and

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there have been some really good ones

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they've come through but it is not

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beyond us to turn around and back out of

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an investigation if we detect any type

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of hoaxing and I want to be clear about

849
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that we set traps with our cameras to

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verify if anybody's been near them and I

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won't go into that on the radio but

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anybody who wants to learn what they in

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the shadows paranormal project does

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would be glad to talk one-on-one okay so

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the other question would be then if it

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is so easy to fake can you do a fake

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that's very difficult if not you're

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impossible to detect it's a fake I think

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every fake can be detected it just

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depends on the skill of the person doing

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the detection you know can I detect

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every fake certainly not have I seen

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some really good fakes yeah I've seen

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some really good fakes and I say that

865
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forth video is pretty good of the

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Jerusalem thing but it's still a fake

867
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and we'll explain that in more detail

868
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our next second I want to talk in

869
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general are there any UFO photos on your

870
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site movies still pictures anything like

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that that you think you know what I

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can't find anything wrong with this it

873
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looks to be genuine I have yet to find

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what I would say as a genuine UFO video

875
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most of the stuff that I've seen has

876
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been hoaxed most of the stuff is is

877
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either poor photography or someone

878
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spotted Jupiter thinking it's a you know

879
00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:55,410
it's a UFO and because the camera

880
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jittery it looks like it's moving around

881
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,320
okay so obviously we have that stuff a

882
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lot of it and in our next segment we're

883
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:06,600
going to look first at the Jerusalem UFO

884
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photos how these things get started have

885
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the information spreads and maybe look

886
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at maybe some of the other photos you

887
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have that perhaps have actually passed

888
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muster that things that we can analyze

889
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:20,910
and as he said he doesn't claim to be

890
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perfect

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she doesn't claim to be the best digital

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imaging or forensic specialist on the

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planet so it possible things will get by

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him as is true with just about anybody

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our guest this week is yari Nicola the

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site is called the dimension zone.com

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still a work in progress in fact I'm

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giving him some suggestions about how

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I'd like to see it which he is free to

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ignore by the way most people are free

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our guest this week yari Nicola this

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I TS PP 4 in the shadows paranormal

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which is basically going to be a posting

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site where people can post their

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photography in their videos of the

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paranormal and let users like your your

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team on podcaster and around and and

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critique now we should mention here that

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those who visit the power cast forums at

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forum dot power cast comm will realize

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that I sucked

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yari into becoming a participant you

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know I do that to people I get them

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sucked in suddenly they become addicted

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and the reason is is because these

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photos appeared on YouTube showing

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alleged UFOs over Jerusalem and what's

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significant is this all happens at the

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same time we had the crisis in Egypt and

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we worried about what's happening in the

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Middle East how it affects Israel so

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maybe it's a politically correct or

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incorrect UFO what do you know about

1049
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these photos posts on YouTube myself

1050
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that's the only place I've really seen

1051
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him anywhere is YouTube and Google video

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there's been a few you know they've been

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reposted on Yahoo but for the most part

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they're all in FLV format and they're

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all up there to be seen I did see a

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video from a newscast from Fox News

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where they picked up the story I think

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it was with a second for you in the

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third video that came out and declared

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it is pretty much looks like we're

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having visitors nothing really concrete

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and nothing really substantial and I

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certainly have

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any comments from any presidents you

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know around the world

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so how real can it be granted we have

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been hoaxed and lied to you before not

1068
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only by others but by the governments

1069
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themselves well okay let's look at these

1070
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films here okay anybody can post

1071
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anything on YouTube if it becomes

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compelling enough it becomes viral which

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means hundreds of thousands or millions

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of people will download or just view

1075
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that video that doesn't prove anything

1076
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is there any sighting report available

1077
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anywhere that you've heard about that

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confirms these sightings I check with

1079
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MUFON and I haven't been able to find

1080
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any reports with MUFON and I haven't

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gotten my call back from Colorado to

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determine whether they've actually taken

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one in Israel the thing is that there

1084
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:22,420
are MUFON agents or representatives or

1085
00:44:28,019 --> 00:44:24,970
investigators I just find in every

1086
00:44:29,970 --> 00:44:28,029
corner of the world nothing well of

1087
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:29,980
course the other problem forces I guess

1088
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:32,710
you've read this MUFON is under a great

1089
00:44:37,769 --> 00:44:35,470
deal of a cloud now Locke controversy

1090
00:44:39,749 --> 00:44:37,779
over dismissal of state directors what

1091
00:44:42,359 --> 00:44:39,759
they did that that money from Robert

1092
00:44:44,009 --> 00:44:42,369
Bigelow and all that so we wonder what

1093
00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:44,019
kind of resources they would have to

1094
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:46,599
mount an investigation from a remote

1095
00:44:50,729 --> 00:44:48,190
corner of the world even if they have

1096
00:44:53,479 --> 00:44:50,739
people there you know one thing that I

1097
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:53,489
went in dealing with MUFON in the past

1098
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:56,410
they had some really good concepts about

1099
00:45:00,420 --> 00:44:58,210
the training that they would go through

1100
00:45:03,329 --> 00:45:00,430
for identifying UFOs and taking reports

1101
00:45:04,979 --> 00:45:03,339
and investigating and I've actually lost

1102
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:04,989
a lot of faith with them especially when

1103
00:45:10,049 --> 00:45:07,089
I worked for a company in Colorado while

1104
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:10,059
I was living there here about ten years

1105
00:45:17,609 --> 00:45:14,049
ago and I know it's just like they lost

1106
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:17,619
their clout in politics because

1107
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,390
everybody was fighting and vying for

1108
00:45:23,819 --> 00:45:22,480
positions within MUFON and I don't think

1109
00:45:26,759 --> 00:45:23,829
that they have the clout that they once

1110
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:26,769
had which is why a colleague and I had

1111
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:29,650
started pair of Nexus and again para

1112
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,049
Nexus went off on a vector that he and I

1113
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:34,960
disagree so I left that it's not beyond

1114
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:37,690
me to leave when I feel that something

1115
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:41,200
either dishonest credibility is in

1116
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,380
question or just a change of

1117
00:45:48,539 --> 00:45:46,480
opinion I mean I learned constantly I

1118
00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:48,549
remember when I used to think orbs were

1119
00:45:53,549 --> 00:45:51,700
ghosts you know and that was because we

1120
00:45:56,609 --> 00:45:53,559
were really just learning digital

1121
00:45:58,049 --> 00:45:56,619
cameras and then the the of course the

1122
00:45:59,130 --> 00:45:58,059
anomalies that happen with digital

1123
00:46:02,430 --> 00:45:59,140
photography especially with

1124
00:46:04,859 --> 00:46:02,440
contaminations so the thing is is that

1125
00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:04,869
we all change your opinion when the

1126
00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:07,420
evidence is before us I haven't been

1127
00:46:11,099 --> 00:46:09,339
able to find any concrete evidence on

1128
00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:11,109
this nor have I gotten any responses

1129
00:46:15,269 --> 00:46:12,940
from any of the people that I tried

1130
00:46:17,099 --> 00:46:15,279
contacting on them so basically right

1131
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:17,109
now there are no reports of UFO

1132
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,140
sightings all you have are these movies

1133
00:46:27,749 --> 00:46:23,680
on YouTube exactly okay knowing that

1134
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:27,759
okay knowing that let's take a look at

1135
00:46:33,059 --> 00:46:30,630
what these things are what did you

1136
00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:33,069
determine maybe you described your

1137
00:46:38,339 --> 00:46:35,230
analysis how you went about it and what

1138
00:46:41,099 --> 00:46:38,349
the results were well just like another

1139
00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:41,109
member on the team on the Parekh a

1140
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:43,720
podcast team find out that is that we

1141
00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:46,569
have a guy by the name of video hoax

1142
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:48,430
sure so he actually has some pretty good

1143
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:50,440
videos and I did you know get permission

1144
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:51,990
from him to post them on our website

1145
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:55,000
that he talked about what he had done in

1146
00:47:00,120 --> 00:46:58,450
the analysis and basically it's nothing

1147
00:47:02,279 --> 00:47:00,130
different than I had started because the

1148
00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:02,289
first part of the of the article on the

1149
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:04,150
web is pretty much stuff that I had

1150
00:47:09,569 --> 00:47:06,940
started until I found his videos when I

1151
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:09,579
was looking for additional evidence so

1152
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:11,529
but the thing is is the first thing I

1153
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:14,710
looked at was perspective and to see if

1154
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:17,650
there's been any masking going on or or

1155
00:47:22,019 --> 00:47:19,990
layering or you can actually overlay two

1156
00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:22,029
or three images on top of each other

1157
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:24,460
this is a trick that Hollywood is used

1158
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:27,160
for a long time where you know you see

1159
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:29,740
the picture of a castle and which is an

1160
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:31,930
obvious painting and then riders coming

1161
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:33,849
up on a cliffside headed towards the

1162
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:36,430
castle that doesn't really exist because

1163
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:38,650
that's a painting what they would do is

1164
00:47:43,789 --> 00:47:40,660
they would mask out a portion of the of

1165
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:43,799
the screen and then film the riders

1166
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:47,380
probably riding in some ranch house

1167
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:49,240
what would he call it where these guys

1168
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:51,530
go out on cowboy weekends

1169
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:54,950
headed towards the castle and then they

1170
00:47:58,090 --> 00:47:56,690
would put the two together and then you

1171
00:47:59,890 --> 00:47:58,100
would see the riders approaching its

1172
00:48:02,490 --> 00:47:59,900
castle well now with the advent of

1173
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:02,500
digital photography and digital

1174
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:05,030
manipulation especially with companies

1175
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:06,770
or Star Wars I mean it's come on Star

1176
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:09,290
Wars is brilliant but if you look at the

1177
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:11,120
the first friends of Star Wars you can

1178
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:14,720
see all the mistakes well then they

1179
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:16,250
didn't have digital photography they

1180
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:19,730
were using models weren't they they were

1181
00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:21,710
easy what they were using models for the

1182
00:48:30,310 --> 00:48:27,500
most part in Star Wars there was some

1183
00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:30,320
digital digital works with the company

1184
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:32,780
that they started specifically for the

1185
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:37,010
special effects and a lot of it was more

1186
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:39,950
along the lines of crate computer type

1187
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:42,170
graphics so you know remember Tron came

1188
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:45,770
out what back in the 70s maybe eighties

1189
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:48,920
you know 1980 yeah so the thing is is

1190
00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:50,930
the Tron was just ahead of its time but

1191
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:54,590
again it used Disney magic for that well

1192
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,090
one thing too of course there was

1193
00:48:59,740 --> 00:48:57,680
actually a movie that came out some

1194
00:49:02,500 --> 00:48:59,750
years later called The Last Starfighter

1195
00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:02,510
and it's not a classic you know it's not

1196
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:04,460
a classic movie I think my favorites

1197
00:49:08,830 --> 00:49:06,620
it's one of the last movies that Robert

1198
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:08,840
Preston appeared in okay the late Robert

1199
00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:11,060
Preston and you know he was kind of

1200
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,830
channeling some of his characters from

1201
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:15,040
his other movies they used all

1202
00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:17,630
computerized animation to make those

1203
00:49:21,310 --> 00:49:19,880
special effects and that thing was great

1204
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:21,320
compared to what you see today they look

1205
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:23,810
kind of cheesy but you know for the late

1206
00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:25,250
seventies and early eighties it looked

1207
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:26,840
pretty decent yeah it was a good film

1208
00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:28,490
you know there's a lot of really good

1209
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:30,470
films today that take advantage of

1210
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,490
digital magic and the thing is so we

1211
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:37,520
ourselves for the laptops or Macs are or

1212
00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:41,210
Linux or Windows really don't have I

1213
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:43,430
want to say first of all you have to be

1214
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:45,290
an artist to be able to create something

1215
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:46,790
like this and you have to understand the

1216
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:48,460
laws of physics when you're doing that

1217
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:50,990
one of the first things that I did or

1218
00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:53,330
noticed right off the bat was when the

1219
00:49:59,170 --> 00:49:56,270
zooms and this on this Jerusalem video

1220
00:50:02,290 --> 00:49:59,180
went in I automatically noticed the

1221
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:02,300
light of the UFO did not change in

1222
00:50:06,110 --> 00:50:04,110
perspective to the other lights

1223
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:06,120
around the city so the people who did

1224
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:07,830
this didn't understand the lighting and

1225
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:09,930
the significance the significance of

1226
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,570
video on our lights on the video night

1227
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:14,640
vision show and I'm saying that night

1228
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:17,490
vision but but nighttime shots for

1229
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:19,560
example I'm looking over the city of The

1230
00:50:24,350 --> 00:50:21,210
Hague right now here in the Netherlands

1231
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:24,360
and I can see lights probably about five

1232
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:26,760
five kilometers away about three miles

1233
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:29,610
if I were to take my video camera and

1234
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:32,760
zoom into those they get sharper but

1235
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:35,220
they don't get larger so the thing is

1236
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:37,890
that's the perspective that you noticed

1237
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:39,720
is that on a video camera they look

1238
00:50:44,330 --> 00:50:41,970
blurry when you're when you're zoomed

1239
00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:44,340
out and they pinpoint to a nice sharp

1240
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:46,830
pinpoint of light as you zoom in that

1241
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:49,170
didn't happen on these videos with the

1242
00:50:59,810 --> 00:50:54,720
UFO specifically also you know I use a

1243
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:59,820
lot of light analysis and what I'll do

1244
00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:02,400
is a freeze-frame in an FLV freeze-frame

1245
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:05,120
I mean it's a copy of a copy of a copy

1246
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:08,730
so and I try to determine whether the

1247
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:12,090
pixelization and it was really hard to

1248
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:13,770
the fov that didn't really work well

1249
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,510
with that it does work well with digital

1250
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:17,400
photographs and when you have the

1251
00:51:21,830 --> 00:51:19,110
original video I'll tell you why we've

1252
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:21,840
got a split for a quick break here so we

1253
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:22,410
have yari

1254
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:25,470
Macola and he has a site called the

1255
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,110
dimension zone the dimension zone calm

1256
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:30,720
we're talking about his analysis of

1257
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:33,540
those YouTube videos UFOs over Jerusalem

1258
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:36,360
gorgeous special effects I'm Jean

1259
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:38,310
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1260
00:51:52,570 --> 00:51:49,770
[Music]

1261
00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:52,580
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

1262
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:54,830
to listen to radio on the telephone by

1263
00:51:59,079 --> 00:51:57,050
calling seven six oh five six nine

1264
00:52:01,660 --> 00:51:59,089
seventy seven hundred you'll be hearing

1265
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:01,670
juicy and live comm programs in seconds

1266
00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:04,130
come to GC and live.com find your

1267
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,440
favorite host dedicated phone number and

1268
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:09,440
hear them 24/7 you heard me right every

1269
00:52:14,530 --> 00:52:11,930
show has a dedicated phone number stop

1270
00:52:16,839 --> 00:52:14,540
by GC and live.com and bookmark their

1271
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:16,849
number today and again that's seven six

1272
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:19,270
oh five six nine seventy seven hundred

1273
00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:21,890
we the people grow cotton wheat fabric

1274
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:23,990
engraving can bed strips and fibers to

1275
00:52:27,339 --> 00:52:25,609
protect from counterfeit and carding to

1276
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:27,349
a private bank having a led back at

1277
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:27,800
interest

1278
00:52:31,420 --> 00:52:29,570
forcing taxes to service debt this

1279
00:52:32,890 --> 00:52:31,430
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1280
00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:32,900
stating a central bank issuing the

1281
00:52:35,650 --> 00:52:34,520
public currency is a greater menace to

1282
00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:35,660
the liberties of the people than a

1283
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:37,430
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

1284
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:38,570
free silver dollar in a book that

1285
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:40,609
explains our monetary system call for

1286
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:43,849
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

1287
00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:46,940
understand the system call 866 to 237

1288
00:52:57,310 --> 00:52:55,400
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

1289
00:53:00,670 --> 00:52:57,320
the pair cast the gold standard of

1290
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:00,680
paranormal radio and now here's gene

1291
00:53:11,459 --> 00:53:08,969
we return I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host

1292
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:11,469
is Chris O'Brien our guest is yari

1293
00:53:16,109 --> 00:53:13,630
McCullough the site is the dimension

1294
00:53:18,839 --> 00:53:16,119
zone is magazine or publication online

1295
00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:18,849
is the Journal of anomalous Sciences to

1296
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:21,430
backtrack as we get to the middle

1297
00:53:27,390 --> 00:53:24,400
section of the show these viral videos

1298
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:27,400
at YouTube UFOs over Jerusalem he got a

1299
00:53:33,809 --> 00:53:30,569
look at them and we were talking about

1300
00:53:35,699 --> 00:53:33,819
pixelization what does that mean to the

1301
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:35,709
end-user the normal person who says

1302
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:37,209
what's he talking about pixels this

1303
00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:39,130
pixels that what does that mean well we

1304
00:53:42,859 --> 00:53:41,019
were talking earlier about cameras the 2

1305
00:53:46,829 --> 00:53:42,869
megapixels that's two million pictures

1306
00:53:49,019 --> 00:53:46,839
for a certain perspective of a picture

1307
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:49,029
size so in other words two million

1308
00:53:53,279 --> 00:53:50,650
pictures which gets you like a three by

1309
00:53:55,699 --> 00:53:53,289
five picture with clarity if you were

1310
00:53:58,109 --> 00:53:55,709
printing it out on on photo paper

1311
00:54:00,359 --> 00:53:58,119
whereas with the new cameras now where

1312
00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:00,369
you have 8 megapixel 10 megapixel 12

1313
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:02,499
megapixel you could print it out on a

1314
00:54:07,529 --> 00:54:04,390
wall poster and it would be crystal

1315
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:07,539
clear so to give you an idea of the

1316
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:09,940
pixelization that's what what pixels are

1317
00:54:13,949 --> 00:54:12,430
it's a series of dots that we see and

1318
00:54:16,439 --> 00:54:13,959
for those of us that have actually

1319
00:54:18,479 --> 00:54:16,449
looked you know I remember as a kid with

1320
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,489
my silly putty being able to put it on

1321
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:20,319
the Sunday comics and then be able to

1322
00:54:25,319 --> 00:54:22,329
stretch it out and see all the dots that

1323
00:54:26,609 --> 00:54:25,329
made up Batman you know how that was

1324
00:54:28,979 --> 00:54:26,619
really cool I didn't know that those

1325
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:28,989
were dots look at that well that's what

1326
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:31,209
Batman and Superman are just a bunch of

1327
00:54:36,749 --> 00:54:34,630
dots all those that's all it is

1328
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:36,759
photographs in the newspaper that's all

1329
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:39,609
they are dots oh who could have thunk it

1330
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:41,890
and it's no different really with with

1331
00:54:47,009 --> 00:54:44,440
digital the digital age was a series of

1332
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:47,019
dots millions of them now in when

1333
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:49,630
computers first came out to get up to I

1334
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:51,729
think he was eight colors four colors as

1335
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:54,670
the primary palette now we can get you

1336
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,130
know millions of colors now we can get

1337
00:55:00,959 --> 00:54:59,440
millions of colors and the thing is is

1338
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:00,969
with the the the different color

1339
00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:04,089
palettes when you start merging to juice

1340
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:06,940
two photographs in this case I'll use a

1341
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:08,170
photograph because it's the same

1342
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:10,370
principle with with video

1343
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:12,590
and you have one that is taking with the

1344
00:55:16,690 --> 00:55:15,050
camera that has a different palette

1345
00:55:19,060 --> 00:55:16,700
because you've taken it as a different

1346
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:19,070
location so it bases the palette around

1347
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:21,980
that object that you photographed and

1348
00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:24,170
you take another picture with a

1349
00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:26,840
different color palette and a different

1350
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:28,060
pixelization

1351
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:30,890
total Andhra pixels and merge them

1352
00:55:37,540 --> 00:55:34,400
together it's like trying to take cinder

1353
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:37,550
blocks and put them into a red brick

1354
00:55:43,570 --> 00:55:41,050
building they just don't look right and

1355
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:43,580
consequently when you get down to the

1356
00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:45,170
level where you can zoom into those

1357
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:47,960
pixels is when you see that the colors

1358
00:55:52,990 --> 00:55:50,240
aren't right programs like Photoshop

1359
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:53,000
will actually try to blend those colors

1360
00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:55,790
together and will try to recreate a

1361
00:56:02,440 --> 00:55:59,330
smoothing palette to overlap them to

1362
00:56:03,730 --> 00:56:02,450
hide them a little bit better so these

1363
00:56:07,540 --> 00:56:03,740
are the kind of things that we look for

1364
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:07,550
is is the photograph look like it's been

1365
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,370
manipulated at all by first looking at

1366
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:13,040
color palettes then we'll look at the

1367
00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:15,970
pixelization see if the squares match

1368
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:19,300
now when you get down to the video level

1369
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:23,990
not only can you can you bring in motion

1370
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:26,330
into a frame-by-frame video with

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programs like movie magics or you know

1372
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:31,430
there's there's tons of them out there

1373
00:56:36,340 --> 00:56:33,470
but I think magics is probably the least

1374
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expensive for what it does that's less

1375
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than other bucks and everybody can

1376
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afford that at one time or another and

1377
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:42,020
the thing is is you can take the 30

1378
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:44,660
frames per second and then you can turn

1379
00:56:50,770 --> 00:56:48,380
around and add your own overlays this is

1380
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:50,780
how television programs bring in the

1381
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smoke and the fire and the introduction

1382
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of a big sail or whatever onto the

1383
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screen well knew it wasn't there when

1384
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they photographed it

1385
00:57:03,550 --> 00:57:01,670
so it's overlaying these videos on top

1386
00:57:06,550 --> 00:57:03,560
of each other and then filming them as

1387
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:06,560
one another thing that you look at is

1388
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:09,470
the number of frames per shot for

1389
00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:13,130
example h.264 I have a high-definition

1390
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:16,040
camera from Sony that I can set the the

1391
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:19,610
frame rate is up to 64 frames per second

1392
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:22,370
now when you start getting anything

1393
00:57:26,350 --> 00:57:23,120
faster than

1394
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,360
we really can't detect solid for example

1395
00:57:30,970 --> 00:57:28,880
of forest and light oscillates at 60

1396
00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:30,980
cycles per second it doesn't look like

1397
00:57:36,610 --> 00:57:34,070
it's flickering but it is so the thing

1398
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:36,620
is is 30 30 frames per second is pretty

1399
00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:40,730
much the average for video in some cases

1400
00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:44,060
when you convert that it drops it to 29

1401
00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:48,830
or 28 frames or even in 4p or any of the

1402
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:53,000
other format MLV it'll alter the pixel

1403
00:57:59,500 --> 00:57:55,910
Ballack it'll alter the framer solution

1404
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,510
and it will alter a tracking that

1405
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,000
actually overlays the sound with the

1406
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:04,880
video so it's like these little white

1407
00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:07,760
lines on a black edge very much like if

1408
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:09,950
you looked at film negatives for 35

1409
00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:11,990
millimeter you notice the little numbers

1410
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:15,140
on the bottom and the little hash marks

1411
00:58:21,820 --> 00:58:18,110
those are markers that identify that

1412
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:21,830
film and and verify that this film had

1413
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:25,190
this image at this location the same

1414
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,450
thing with digital film okay now the big

1415
00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:32,240
question I have before we go on is are

1416
00:58:36,430 --> 00:58:34,820
you able to manipulate the pixels and

1417
00:58:38,110 --> 00:58:36,440
all these other elements to basically

1418
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:38,120
make it almost seamless almost

1419
00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:41,570
impossible to detect the fakery you can

1420
00:58:46,510 --> 00:58:44,990
get really close but it takes a lot of

1421
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:46,520
work because it's almost a

1422
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:49,760
frame-by-frame piece of work remember

1423
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:51,560
the old black and white said everybody

1424
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:53,450
was colorizing those were done by

1425
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:55,130
computers and guess what they all had to

1426
00:58:59,620 --> 00:58:57,770
be done frame by frame that's why on the

1427
00:59:02,290 --> 00:58:59,630
first attempts of colorizing the black

1428
00:59:06,790 --> 00:59:02,300
and white into quote-unquote Technicolor

1429
00:59:08,050 --> 00:59:06,800
the palette was less than 250 colors so

1430
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:08,060
it didn't look very good and of course

1431
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:09,590
I've seen the efforts where they used to

1432
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:12,250
make to take black-and-white movies and

1433
00:59:15,730 --> 00:59:14,630
colorize them make them color and you

1434
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:15,740
know they all look dreadful

1435
00:59:20,010 --> 00:59:17,930
yeah and that's the same thing with when

1436
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:20,020
you attempt to do a frame by frame

1437
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:23,570
adjustment by my movie motion it now the

1438
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:28,580
program that I actually have used in the

1439
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:31,220
past and actually had just upgraded to

1440
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:33,290
the new and I haven't loaded it yet but

1441
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:35,540
it's the Adobe photo editor or

1442
00:59:39,310 --> 00:59:37,310
After Effects is what it's called and

1443
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:39,320
the thing is is that it allows you to

1444
00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:41,300
actually add and this is the one that

1445
00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:44,360
the video hooks are pointed out Kyle he

1446
00:59:49,780 --> 00:59:46,280
showed how he created the light array

1447
00:59:52,570 --> 00:59:49,790
and what it does is this is it takes for

1448
00:59:55,570 --> 00:59:52,580
example the orb coming down and you can

1449
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:55,580
expand the light field on it to reflect

1450
01:00:01,360 --> 00:59:57,650
on the ground beneath it or all on

1451
01:00:04,090 --> 01:00:01,370
objects around it and the Adobe program

1452
01:00:06,970 --> 01:00:04,100
will actually adjust the pixels where

1453
01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:06,980
would that light would fall based on the

1454
01:00:11,410 --> 01:00:09,470
light schematics that are already in the

1455
01:00:13,870 --> 01:00:11,420
photograph but you're telling me here

1456
01:00:16,420 --> 01:00:13,880
that these photos of the UFOs over

1457
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:16,430
jerusalem these movies don't have the

1458
01:00:20,530 --> 01:00:18,650
proper lighting right they don't have

1459
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:20,540
the proper lighting and the one where i

1460
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,250
highlighted on the webpage where you can

1461
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:25,040
see the mask around the orb above the

1462
01:00:29,110 --> 01:00:27,050
dome you know there's a white edge

1463
01:00:30,730 --> 01:00:29,120
around it that could have been done by

1464
01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:30,740
one of two things that could have been

1465
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:32,540
done by poor masking which is my high

1466
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:34,790
suspicion before it was turned into an

1467
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,370
FLV now we have to explain masking is

1468
01:00:40,780 --> 01:00:39,200
just like covering up something so you

1469
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:40,790
can put something else about on top of

1470
01:00:47,710 --> 01:00:43,610
it right right for example if I want to

1471
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:47,720
take your face and put it on a body like

1472
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:52,400
oh Arnold Schwarzenegger today yeah

1473
01:00:57,220 --> 01:00:55,010
pardon and I think they've got me on

1474
01:00:58,840 --> 01:00:57,230
wearing suits they've got pictures of me

1475
01:01:01,390 --> 01:00:58,850
doing all sorts of different things and

1476
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:01,400
sometimes doing things we don't want to

1477
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:03,110
mention well you know the thing is

1478
01:01:08,170 --> 01:01:06,530
nowadays with with with digital which

1479
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:08,180
tree you can make that look like it

1480
01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:11,510
really is you and this is why they're

1481
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,640
the digital at forensic source such a

1482
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:16,640
big I want to say industry or business

1483
01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:20,210
in the court systems you know the this

1484
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:22,670
is why police forces have digital

1485
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:24,650
analysts to be able to determine if a

1486
01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:27,590
photograph is authentic or not you

1487
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:28,820
remember in the old days when they used

1488
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:30,770
to show a spy from Russia you know

1489
01:01:35,350 --> 01:01:33,710
walking the streets of Manhattan and it

1490
01:01:37,690 --> 01:01:35,360
was obviously something that was cut and

1491
01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:37,700
pasted from him him marching in the

1492
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:39,550
Kremlin to marching down Fifth Avenue

1493
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:42,530
and and they were they were crude at

1494
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,540
best and you look at that as like

1495
01:01:47,830 --> 01:01:46,880
National Enquirer hello look yeah the

1496
01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:47,840
Kremlin

1497
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:51,950
and it's it doesn't happen today but

1498
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:54,650
there are nuances in hints that will

1499
01:01:59,980 --> 01:01:58,130
tell you whether it doesn't fit now

1500
01:02:03,520 --> 01:01:59,990
there's actually a picture of Time

1501
01:02:06,610 --> 01:02:03,530
magazine where you see Ronald Reagan and

1502
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:06,620
President Obama that their peak of their

1503
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:08,390
activity so you see Reagan maybe in his

1504
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late 60s or 70s which is what thirty

1505
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:13,970
years ago hundredth anniversary of his

1506
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:16,190
birth and then you see Obama in his late

1507
01:02:21,370 --> 01:02:19,010
40s and it's all just simple digital

1508
01:02:23,170 --> 01:02:21,380
stuff that anyone could do you can take

1509
01:02:26,140 --> 01:02:23,180
anybody put them into any surrounding

1510
01:02:28,060 --> 01:02:26,150
and make it look well almost genuine

1511
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:28,070
maybe not maybe if we applied the proper

1512
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forensics we'll get into that my know

1513
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chris has some questions about the

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tre me Cola

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at the dimensions own dot-com his site

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01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:37,590
with all sorts of sections about the

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01:07:41,780 --> 01:07:39,810
paranormal and UFOs Chris O'Brien's the

1644
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:41,790
co-host and of course we're detecting

1645
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:46,290
these movies on YouTube that appears to

1646
01:07:51,740 --> 01:07:49,470
depict UFOs over Jerusalem and Israel

1647
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:51,750
but maybe not so Chris you had some

1648
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:53,940
questions well first of all I have an

1649
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:57,510
observation re looking at these videos

1650
01:08:02,300 --> 01:07:59,880
on YouTube one thing I noticed is it

1651
01:08:04,370 --> 01:08:02,310
looks like the the actual background

1652
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:04,380
that shows Jews Jerusalem at night

1653
01:08:11,330 --> 01:08:07,710
appears to be a static image I don't see

1654
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:11,340
any indications of moving lights any

1655
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:14,520
lights twinkling or blinking and it

1656
01:08:19,099 --> 01:08:16,440
seems to me that this has all been done

1657
01:08:21,710 --> 01:08:19,109
over a static image did you look into

1658
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:21,720
that aspect of the footage actually and

1659
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:24,089
it was from the third video I did a

1660
01:08:27,289 --> 01:08:25,770
close-up and you can actually see

1661
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:27,299
through the scan lines from a television

1662
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:30,420
and it looks very much like it was a

1663
01:08:35,900 --> 01:08:33,810
still frame that they then put the video

1664
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:35,910
over the top of and then films June for

1665
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:38,640
still frame through each frame that was

1666
01:08:43,340 --> 01:08:40,770
my comment is that you know here it is

1667
01:08:45,620 --> 01:08:43,350
from a video freeze frame the fourth

1668
01:08:48,170 --> 01:08:45,630
video actually does show street lights

1669
01:08:50,599 --> 01:08:48,180
actually cars moving or what appears to

1670
01:08:53,210 --> 01:08:50,609
be cars moving you can't see the car but

1671
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:53,220
you can see the lights now one of the

1672
01:08:57,079 --> 01:08:55,140
questions that I have is that the car is

1673
01:09:00,710 --> 01:08:57,089
moving away from me then why do I see

1674
01:09:03,260 --> 01:09:00,720
the headlights I mean I'm looking at it

1675
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:03,270
going down the street and then it comes

1676
01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:05,819
into a zoom you know where it goes over

1677
01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:06,310
the top

1678
01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:08,589
highway so to speak so it's very short

1679
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:10,180
section within the first part of the

1680
01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:12,850
video the thing is these lights when it

1681
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:14,950
goes behind some buildings and comes out

1682
01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:16,810
and the headlights are moving away from

1683
01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:18,760
you you still see the headlights you

1684
01:09:22,230 --> 01:09:20,500
don't see the taillights of the car you

1685
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:22,240
just see the headlights so that was one

1686
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:23,410
of the first clues that that was

1687
01:09:28,230 --> 01:09:26,620
probably either a dot added in to make

1688
01:09:29,550 --> 01:09:28,240
it look like movement with a couple

1689
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:29,560
black dots behind it to make it look

1690
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:32,530
like a car or that was an another layer

1691
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:35,650
of a mask but that was the only section

1692
01:09:39,420 --> 01:09:37,210
is the street in the foreground that

1693
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:39,430
actually shows any movement of cars the

1694
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:40,900
rest of it did look like it was freeze

1695
01:09:47,730 --> 01:09:45,130
framed also in the far horizon there is

1696
01:09:49,559 --> 01:09:47,740
nothing and if you look at a daytime

1697
01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:49,569
picture of that same scene you'll see

1698
01:09:53,849 --> 01:09:51,390
that there's mountains and there are

1699
01:09:55,460 --> 01:09:53,859
radio towers in the background or

1700
01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:55,470
something should have been showing up

1701
01:10:02,430 --> 01:09:59,230
airplanes whatever hillsides but it

1702
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:02,440
seems like it's been blacked out hmm yes

1703
01:10:06,450 --> 01:10:03,910
it's photographs of the moon where

1704
01:10:07,710 --> 01:10:06,460
there's no stars in the background right

1705
01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:07,720
well that could be that could be an

1706
01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:09,790
aperture setting and that could be

1707
01:10:14,940 --> 01:10:10,900
another set and that could be another

1708
01:10:17,730 --> 01:10:14,950
show hold another show one thing that

1709
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:17,740
that has puzzled me about this is a you

1710
01:10:22,110 --> 01:10:20,260
know Gina it obviously indicated the

1711
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:22,120
timing of this the release of this

1712
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,210
particular quite a good complicated hoax

1713
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,040
if if it is determined to be a hoax

1714
01:10:31,470 --> 01:10:29,040
which I suspect it is and I think you're

1715
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:31,480
presenting some pretty compelling

1716
01:10:36,860 --> 01:10:33,190
evidence to suggest that it was a hoax

1717
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:36,870
but this brings the level and

1718
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:39,730
sophistication of hoaxing to to a new

1719
01:10:45,810 --> 01:10:42,730
level with the the subsequent layering

1720
01:10:49,140 --> 01:10:45,820
on of additional footage and this

1721
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:49,150
indicates to me that we're not dealing

1722
01:10:55,530 --> 01:10:51,730
with your average hoax or that this may

1723
01:10:58,410 --> 01:10:55,540
be some sort of more elaborate plan when

1724
01:11:00,120 --> 01:10:58,420
you when you tie the footage release in

1725
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:00,130
with the events that are happening next

1726
01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:04,570
door or on the block there in Egypt it

1727
01:11:10,650 --> 01:11:07,680
does bring in some pretty compelling

1728
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,660
angles on why this was released when it

1729
01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:13,120
was and and the sophistication and the

1730
01:11:17,700 --> 01:11:15,670
the the amount of work that obviously

1731
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:17,710
went into this also

1732
01:11:22,770 --> 01:11:20,770
I I find very intriguing and the whole

1733
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:22,780
political cultural aspects of this I

1734
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:24,730
think are something that needs to be

1735
01:11:29,970 --> 01:11:27,190
addressed as well well as far as the

1736
01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:29,980
politics I really don't see how a UFO in

1737
01:11:35,490 --> 01:11:32,830
Israel could affect the elections in

1738
01:11:36,570 --> 01:11:35,500
Egypt and all of the the hoopla that's

1739
01:11:39,570 --> 01:11:36,580
going on over there right now

1740
01:11:42,209 --> 01:11:39,580
as far as politically I mean okay UFO

1741
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:42,219
appears that you know in each in Israel

1742
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:45,520
but on the other hand I think that a lot

1743
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:48,130
of the information that's being leaked

1744
01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:51,550
out if you will is information so that

1745
01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:53,230
we won't panic when something really

1746
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:55,180
does happen so when something does

1747
01:12:01,200 --> 01:11:59,920
happen in the near future you know 2012

1748
01:12:02,850 --> 01:12:01,210
coming up people talk about that all the

1749
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:02,860
time what I think's gonna happen I think

1750
01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:04,270
you throw the old calendar way and get

1751
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,160
anyone I'm sorry I do think that there

1752
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:11,920
might be some geological shifting that

1753
01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:13,450
might take place you know earthquakes

1754
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:15,160
volcanoes coming up on it because we're

1755
01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:17,710
going through a north-south pole or

1756
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,500
change of the galaxy

1757
01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:22,420
however when in getting back to what

1758
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:24,100
we're just talking about like I can get

1759
01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:25,360
off in tensions you guys just have to

1760
01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:26,860
drag me but well hold on you said a

1761
01:12:31,250 --> 01:12:29,230
north south polar change for the galaxy

1762
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:31,260
or are you talking about the planetary

1763
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:34,480
magnetic the whole solar system is going

1764
01:12:40,650 --> 01:12:36,040
through the physics through the Galactic

1765
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:40,660
plane in 2012 we're well into it what is

1766
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:43,020
your evidence or background to say that

1767
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:46,170
well first of all I'm gonna strong

1768
01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:49,210
astronomer at heart I published my own

1769
01:12:53,610 --> 01:12:51,340
mirrors I watched a nice guy since I was

1770
01:12:55,709 --> 01:12:53,620
a kid but yeah we are actually traveling

1771
01:12:58,740 --> 01:12:55,719
through the flat edge of the galactic

1772
01:13:01,050 --> 01:12:58,750
plane we do that every 35 or 25,000

1773
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:01,060
years you know go up one side down the

1774
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:03,610
other back back through the place as a

1775
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:05,290
plate where we're spinning around we're

1776
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:06,730
going through it and then coming out the

1777
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:10,330
other side and in a and hyperbolic curve

1778
01:13:13,709 --> 01:13:12,910
sound it's like the Galactic equator is

1779
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:13,719
what you're talking about

1780
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:16,719
yeah well equator and so you if you

1781
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:18,489
figure we're taking our North Pole and

1782
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:20,050
it's gonna be hit it's currently you

1783
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:21,610
know pointed at the South Pole and we

1784
01:13:24,090 --> 01:13:22,810
get it on the other side it's gonna be

1785
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,100
South Pole to South Pole we're gonna

1786
01:13:27,739 --> 01:13:26,080
flip it around you know theoretically

1787
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:27,749
speaking well I want

1788
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:30,300
not seen it in humankind so we don't

1789
01:13:33,979 --> 01:13:32,219
know for sure what's gonna happen but

1790
01:13:35,209 --> 01:13:33,989
anyway that's a whole other story

1791
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,219
this is the kind of stuff that the

1792
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:36,960
dimension zone covers by the way guys

1793
01:13:42,259 --> 01:13:39,570
okay let's get back to the picture so

1794
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:42,269
okay so now there have been some

1795
01:13:46,969 --> 01:13:44,940
conflicting analyses one suggesting that

1796
01:13:49,939 --> 01:13:46,979
maybe at least one of these photos a

1797
01:13:52,819 --> 01:13:49,949
fourth photo was genuine a fourth film

1798
01:13:54,739 --> 01:13:52,829
now looking at all these videos are

1799
01:13:57,259 --> 01:13:54,749
there four of them I thought there were

1800
01:13:58,819 --> 01:13:57,269
three there's a fourth one and the

1801
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,829
fourth one that came out is basically

1802
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:01,199
showing a bunch of and it's on your

1803
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:04,530
heads on the on the forum chat these I

1804
01:14:10,219 --> 01:14:06,690
want to say these guys chatting in a car

1805
01:14:12,469 --> 01:14:10,229
and then at the very end is there's a

1806
01:14:17,810 --> 01:14:12,479
blank space and then it goes to the

1807
01:14:20,509 --> 01:14:17,820
video of the the UFO over the dome and I

1808
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:20,519
was told by one of the postings that it

1809
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:23,400
was originally named mp4 and for people

1810
01:14:27,859 --> 01:14:26,610
and all I could find was FLV even and

1811
01:14:30,589 --> 01:14:27,869
from the link he gave me it's only

1812
01:14:32,629 --> 01:14:30,599
available in FL B 480 pixels now we have

1813
01:14:34,969 --> 01:14:32,639
to explain something here and one of the

1814
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:34,979
problems in analyzing this these videos

1815
01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:38,489
are very low resolution so there's a lot

1816
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:41,340
of noise a lot of artifacts and things

1817
01:14:45,589 --> 01:14:43,650
that you wouldn't see if you had high

1818
01:14:47,839 --> 01:14:45,599
quality originally is there high quality

1819
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:47,849
original does anyone know I haven't been

1820
01:14:55,549 --> 01:14:51,960
able to find any a little bit about the

1821
01:14:57,759 --> 01:14:55,559
process YouTube compression YouTube

1822
01:15:00,439 --> 01:14:57,769
compressions it's really is compression

1823
01:15:01,729 --> 01:15:00,449
exactly and the thing is what they want

1824
01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:01,739
to do is you want to squeeze it down

1825
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,289
like a zip file so it doesn't take up so

1826
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,719
much space and they give it the FLV

1827
01:15:11,989 --> 01:15:09,360
format so so it actually can be read by

1828
01:15:14,299 --> 01:15:11,999
FLV players and that's for instant play

1829
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:14,309
that's why I starts up right away when

1830
01:15:20,509 --> 01:15:17,489
you start a video online DivX takes a

1831
01:15:22,549 --> 01:15:20,519
while to download the first few seconds

1832
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,559
while it buffers the you know a few few

1833
01:15:28,189 --> 01:15:25,320
minutes of film before it begins and in

1834
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,199
some cases an MOV file or an avi

1835
01:15:33,109 --> 01:15:31,199
needs to to get going or be completely

1836
01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:33,119
downloaded before you can view it okay

1837
01:15:35,810 --> 01:15:34,499
well we can two more of the techniques

1838
01:15:38,419 --> 01:15:35,820
in the background of this in a moment

1839
01:15:40,069 --> 01:15:38,429
we have yari McCollough of the

1840
01:15:41,180 --> 01:15:40,079
dimensions own the co-host is Chris

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01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:41,190
O'Brien

1842
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:50,489
steinberg you're in Lapera cast ray

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Perkins a reclusive veteran burned out

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from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

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space and of a mysterious woman

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world a woman not yet born calling

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across centuries to him then a

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is actually you're listening to the

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podcast the gold standard of radio we

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have yari Mikola and he has a site

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called the dimension zone.com

1948
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all sorts of interesting paranormal

1949
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:25,980
information and we're dissecting these

1950
01:20:31,610 --> 01:20:29,370
films of purported UFOs over Jerusalem

1951
01:20:34,670 --> 01:20:31,620
we're talking about the fourth film here

1952
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then we're explaining why you know low

1953
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resolution may be a problem especially

1954
01:20:41,930 --> 01:20:38,880
in trying to analyze something because

1955
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doesn't that also mask the defects or at

1956
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least the tampering can it can because

1957
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:46,590
it makes them less detectable because as

1958
01:20:50,150 --> 01:20:47,940
I said earlier when you're looking at

1959
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:50,160
digital filming there's actually

1960
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tracking lines in the digital frame by

1961
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frame that that aligns each frame to say

1962
01:21:02,300 --> 01:20:59,070
the 29 or 30 frames per second and

1963
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:02,310
matches it with the audio you've seen

1964
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,370
DivX films for example that the sound

1965
01:21:10,820 --> 01:21:08,400
was off that's because it didn't match

1966
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:10,830
the soundtrack with the video track and

1967
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:12,840
so there are tracks on a digital

1968
01:21:18,170 --> 01:21:15,510
formatted film that need to be there and

1969
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:18,180
they can be viewed with certain software

1970
01:21:23,210 --> 01:21:20,940
to determine if they're misaligned or if

1971
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:23,220
they've been spliced at any point which

1972
01:21:28,190 --> 01:21:26,130
is why I requested the original format

1973
01:21:29,540 --> 01:21:28,200
of the copy so in other words I'm never

1974
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:29,550
gonna get the original unless they send

1975
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:33,930
me the flash memory you know from it and

1976
01:21:37,220 --> 01:21:35,430
I have had people send me their flash

1977
01:21:40,820 --> 01:21:37,230
memory say we didn't erase it here it is

1978
01:21:42,620 --> 01:21:40,830
okay I can only tell or guess whether it

1979
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:42,630
is the flash memory unless I was there

1980
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:44,610
and I took it from the camera but the

1981
01:21:48,710 --> 01:21:46,620
thing is is that if I have an original

1982
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:48,720
then I can actually go back and take a

1983
01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:51,510
look at this tracking when you copy and

1984
01:21:56,810 --> 01:21:54,300
let's say I have an h.264 High

1985
01:21:57,470 --> 01:21:56,820
Definition Sony and I want to put it on

1986
01:21:59,840 --> 01:21:57,480
the web

1987
01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:59,850
okay this is a Sony high definition

1988
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:01,500
camcorder right high definition

1989
01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:03,810
camcorder and it's got the night vision

1990
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:06,460
which is why I got it the difficulty is

1991
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:10,060
have to convert it two times once is an

1992
01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:14,230
AVI and then into an FLV or DivX I know

1993
01:22:17,670 --> 01:22:16,120
you just do this you lose something in

1994
01:22:20,729 --> 01:22:17,680
the translation you lose the degradation

1995
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:20,739
you know I remember a friend showing me

1996
01:22:25,890 --> 01:22:24,010
a picture that he had done of Hillary

1997
01:22:28,290 --> 01:22:25,900
for the magazine bizarre Harper's

1998
01:22:32,990 --> 01:22:28,300
bizarre it was a while back I guess back

1999
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:33,000
about 19 I want to say 1999 maybe 2003

2000
01:22:37,860 --> 01:22:35,710
someone there but this was when JPEGs

2001
01:22:40,890 --> 01:22:37,870
was really the only way to you to go and

2002
01:22:43,410 --> 01:22:40,900
he showed me how bad these pixelization

2003
01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:43,420
were but it is here's Hillary with her

2004
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:45,460
blouse open extra her dress is open you

2005
01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:47,290
can see some serious cleavage going on

2006
01:22:51,930 --> 01:22:49,270
and you know that that face does not

2007
01:22:54,150 --> 01:22:51,940
belong to that body so the thing is it

2008
01:22:56,010 --> 01:22:54,160
was all about this is look at this fake

2009
01:22:57,540 --> 01:22:56,020
and it's appeared on a magazine my

2010
01:22:58,770 --> 01:22:57,550
question is is how many people are gonna

2011
01:23:00,479 --> 01:22:58,780
believe it even though there's some

2012
01:23:01,709 --> 01:23:00,489
edges that are blurry on it and the same

2013
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,719
thing will show when you start looking

2014
01:23:06,060 --> 01:23:04,000
at the FLV these that are replicated and

2015
01:23:09,180 --> 01:23:06,070
replicated and replicated each time you

2016
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,190
copy it it loses a percentage of that

2017
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:11,920
resolution so it becomes more I want to

2018
01:23:17,130 --> 01:23:14,290
say discombobulated those pixels do not

2019
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:17,140
line up anymore discombobulated is of

2020
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:18,550
course a technical term very highly

2021
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:20,080
technical and it's like a thing I'm

2022
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:22,090
above and then what's gonna call it but

2023
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:23,920
yeah so the the pixels don't line up

2024
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:25,450
anymore because they never did in the

2025
01:23:29,490 --> 01:23:27,190
first place that make sense yeah

2026
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:29,500
absolutely and also you know people

2027
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,270
think oh it's digital you don't have any

2028
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,280
generational loss but you actually do

2029
01:23:39,090 --> 01:23:36,400
and it creates more diffused kind of

2030
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:39,100
fuzziness to the to the image and add

2031
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:42,610
that to compression like you see YouTube

2032
01:23:47,310 --> 01:23:44,650
when they really squash the footage to

2033
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,320
create space you do have it makes it

2034
01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:49,360
more difficult to detect some of these

2035
01:23:53,820 --> 01:23:52,060
shenanigan post-production work that's

2036
01:23:55,530 --> 01:23:53,830
done on these things but it's it's still

2037
01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:55,540
possible to detect well you know it's

2038
01:24:00,330 --> 01:23:57,070
like for example do you think that the

2039
01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:00,340
Washington Post was posting original

2040
01:24:03,330 --> 01:24:02,200
photographs that were taken right out

2041
01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:03,340
the camera and put it into the paper

2042
01:24:08,190 --> 01:24:06,700
hell no no they doctored them they

2043
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:08,200
smooth them out they get rid of things

2044
01:24:12,690 --> 01:24:09,850
that are unimportant in the photograph

2045
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:12,700
they overlay a good image of a sky

2046
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:15,960
behind a bad image of a sky you know as

2047
01:24:20,090 --> 01:24:18,600
above the bad image of sky and what

2048
01:24:22,250 --> 01:24:20,100
they're doing is they're cleaning it up

2049
01:24:24,620 --> 01:24:22,260
so it's ready for printing it can draw

2050
01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:24,630
the attention to the individual or the

2051
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,520
section of the photograph they want you

2052
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:28,800
to see a lot of times when you see a

2053
01:24:33,620 --> 01:24:31,290
black ground a background blurred in the

2054
01:24:36,350 --> 01:24:33,630
sport that's a Sports Illustrated that

2055
01:24:38,270 --> 01:24:36,360
wasn't done by the camera that was done

2056
01:24:41,060 --> 01:24:38,280
by manipulation with programs like Adobe

2057
01:24:43,459 --> 01:24:41,070
Photoshop what they do is they mask the

2058
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:43,469
the the football player just as he's

2059
01:24:49,090 --> 01:24:45,570
about to kick that that field goal the

2060
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:49,100
wins by the way who won the world I

2061
01:24:57,380 --> 01:24:54,170
don't get the superpowers okay thank you

2062
01:24:59,360 --> 01:24:57,390
yes for political experts or our junkies

2063
01:25:02,870 --> 01:24:59,370
the Green Bay Packers are owned I guess

2064
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,880
by the city of Green Bay so it means the

2065
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:04,860
people of Green Bay on the Packers

2066
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:13,380
therefore it's a socialist by the people

2067
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:17,130
the fans and also the smallest city with

2068
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:18,770
a football professional football team

2069
01:25:24,020 --> 01:25:22,290
but you know it's like you see this

2070
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:24,030
football players perfect shot

2071
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,250
backgrounds blur you just see the player

2072
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:28,800
kick in the ball well I was taken with a

2073
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:31,080
telephoto camera that did not get a

2074
01:25:34,940 --> 01:25:32,880
blurred background because it was taken

2075
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:34,950
too far away so they have to blur the

2076
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:37,310
background before they print it so

2077
01:25:42,290 --> 01:25:39,510
photographs have been manipulated for

2078
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:42,300
years and the thing is now we have to

2079
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,890
detect what the truth is in this

2080
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:46,080
photography just look at any woman's

2081
01:25:51,370 --> 01:25:48,810
magazine with a good-looking lady on the

2082
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,380
cover the amount of retouching and

2083
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:53,760
photoshopping and that goes into some of

2084
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:55,920
those photographs is is really

2085
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:58,110
unbelievable I've I've actually done a

2086
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:01,260
few retouching jobs or I took a you know

2087
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:03,420
a pretty nice-looking lady but she was

2088
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:05,370
in her early 60s and I was able to take

2089
01:26:09,979 --> 01:26:07,590
about 20 years off for her just by going

2090
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:09,989
in and manipulating you know small

2091
01:26:15,290 --> 01:26:12,600
groups of pixels to take away wrinkles

2092
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,300
to tighten up her chin you know and I

2093
01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:17,280
literally look 30 years younger and I'll

2094
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:19,320
tell you she she really liked that you

2095
01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:20,730
know was for the cover of her DVD

2096
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:22,860
exercise video so especially now in the

2097
01:26:26,959 --> 01:26:25,260
era of high definition video and high

2098
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:26,969
definition television what they do of

2099
01:26:29,599 --> 01:26:29,130
course is the stars go on there they

2100
01:26:31,310 --> 01:26:29,609
don't want to see

2101
01:26:33,259 --> 01:26:31,320
the pimples and the things in their face

2102
01:26:34,939 --> 01:26:33,269
that show that they're real people so

2103
01:26:37,219 --> 01:26:34,949
they wear a special makeup they use

2104
01:26:39,889 --> 01:26:37,229
special filters on the camera to diffuse

2105
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,899
the defects exactly it's a world where

2106
01:26:44,209 --> 01:26:41,760
we can't believe anything we see anymore

2107
01:26:45,649 --> 01:26:44,219
you know so this is where why I want to

2108
01:26:48,379 --> 01:26:45,659
take an analysis I mean take for example

2109
01:26:51,979 --> 01:26:48,389
the World Trade Center you can not find

2110
01:26:54,529 --> 01:26:51,989
any original videos anywhere except the

2111
01:26:57,679 --> 01:26:54,539
ones that are on on YouTube and those

2112
01:26:59,959 --> 01:26:57,689
are so badly degraded with replication

2113
01:27:03,020 --> 01:26:59,969
and copies and the ones that made

2114
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:03,030
anything are now gone I don't know

2115
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,679
whether it was taken away because the

2116
01:27:08,659 --> 01:27:06,719
government took him off they didn't want

2117
01:27:12,049 --> 01:27:08,669
him there but you know I was looking at

2118
01:27:13,339 --> 01:27:12,059
one for example freeze-frame of one of

2119
01:27:16,219 --> 01:27:13,349
the planes that crashed into the World

2120
01:27:19,099 --> 01:27:16,229
Trade Center and it wasn't a commercial

2121
01:27:23,329 --> 01:27:19,109
airline I'm sorry it was not a

2122
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:23,339
commercial airline yeah you're talking

2123
01:27:27,379 --> 01:27:25,050
to somebody who's flown his whole life

2124
01:27:29,449 --> 01:27:27,389
I've got more sky miles and many pilots

2125
01:27:31,279 --> 01:27:29,459
do and the thing is just said I had

2126
01:27:33,919 --> 01:27:31,289
looked at them and thinking something's

2127
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:33,929
up so a conspiracy theory yeah that's

2128
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:34,530
another show

2129
01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:36,239
this is the kind of stuff that the

2130
01:27:40,279 --> 01:27:38,820
dimension zone covers but the thing is

2131
01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:40,289
is that when you start looking at

2132
01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:42,510
manipulation I would love nothing better

2133
01:27:47,449 --> 01:27:45,719
than to see an authentic video of UFOs I

2134
01:27:50,389 --> 01:27:47,459
would like to see little gray men

2135
01:27:52,759 --> 01:27:50,399
walking down the White House lawn you

2136
01:27:54,949 --> 01:27:52,769
know next to to the president and his

2137
01:27:57,889 --> 01:27:54,959
just daughters and his his wife and

2138
01:27:59,779 --> 01:27:57,899
shaking hands with the press and until

2139
01:28:01,729 --> 01:27:59,789
that happens you know I don't know that

2140
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we'll ever get an authentic video from

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anybody unless it's actually a major

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event well it's this is really the

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advent of digital age has made it much

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more problematic and complicated to

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actually be able to filter out with an

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untrained eye some of the very

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increasingly well-done hoaxes that are

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going on and and I think the further we

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get into the digital age the percentage

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of real UFO films and videos and photos

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is going to go down as the amount of

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hoaxes isn't fake so manipulated images

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it's going towards a roof I pretty much

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if it appears on YouTube and

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chances are it's a hoax at least this is

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my way of thinking now and one of the

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things that I also look at is the

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reaction of the individuals that are

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shown in the frame I listen to the

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soundtrack I listen to the quality of

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the voice and oftentimes the the hoaxes

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are instantly betrayed by bad acting oh

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yeah oh yeah you know like the the one

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where the where the wall is obviously a

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layer the guy standing by the wall and

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watching him just stand still and are

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just kind of looking like nothing really

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happened when this UFO comes down and

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then zips off you know well answer more

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of reaction shots which we see of course

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you know on the bridge of the Star Trek

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Enterprise you know you see all this

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alien stuff going on and you're being

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to avoid the Klingons and your shields

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are down but you know that's good acting

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reaction shots we're talking to yari

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yari McCollough is our guest the co-host

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is Chris O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg

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you're in the power cast Chris wife we

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continue on this journey towards

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possibly fake UFO film well as someone

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that's very interested in getting out

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and interviewing people and looking them

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it's it's pretty easy to determine when

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somebody is making something up when

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somebody is confabulating when somebody

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is sort of not being totally truthful

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and I think one of the things that

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really comes through loud and clear on

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many of these YouTube videos that you're

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seeing of UFOs and in related phenomena

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is that the people that are involved in

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the hoax are not actors and they're

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trying to be actors and it's pretty

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apparent to me that they're not doing a

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good job one of the hardest things it is

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to do as an actor is to be like in a you

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know let's say a blue screen or a green

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screen shot when you're when you're

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acting before they composite in the

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creature or the the the peril that the

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person is having to deal with like in

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Jurassic Park the dinosaurs Lord of the

2312
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Rings some of the orgs that sort of

2313
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thing and you'll often hear actors say

2314
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that it's very difficult to act when

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they have to pretend that they're

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responding to something now these are

2317
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professional actors saying it's

2318
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difficult I think it's one of the

2319
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easiest ways to detect the hoax is to

2320
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listen to the actual participants on the

2321
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video the recent Brown Mountain footage

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that came out about three months ago

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that purported you showed the Brown

2324
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Mountain lights and the way the people

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were reacting to me was so patently you

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know with such bad acting that I

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instantly just on the basis of that I

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mean the image looked great but just on

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the basis of the way the people were

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acting it was obvious to me that they

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were that this was confabulated by the

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way around

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lights in North Carolina I went to see

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the Brown Mountain lights with Allen

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Greenfield and my first wife Geneva back

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I guess in the 1970s and we saw some

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whites in the distance and they came

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closer and closer it was an airplane

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folks so we failed well I know you know

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Joshua Warren he's got a website called

2341
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Limor he was wearing one of the coasts

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first ghost authors that I actually read

2343
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and liked I found that he's done an

2344
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investigation on the Brown Mountain

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lights which is also in our archives on

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the dimensions own and a really good

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article on what he did to analyze with

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the lights work and he came up with a

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scientific evidence to show that hey

2350
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it's a natural phenomena

2351
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oh by the way back in 2007 we talked

2352
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with Lorraine Warren I'm sure so if you

2353
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want to check that thing it's still

2354
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available in the archives April 8 2007

2355
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so there you go okay so we go back to

2356
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Jerusalem there is no sighting report

2357
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isn't that really a major part of

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gathering UFO evidence not just the

2359
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photo the film whatever which can be as

2360
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you point out very easily faked and not

2361
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very easy to fake in a way that seems

2362
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seamless there's no sighting report

2363
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nobody submitted a sighting report

2364
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anywhere describing what they saw they

2365
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just provided pictures yeah and the the

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first thing that I would have done is of

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course contacted the airport to see if

2368
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anything showed up on radar you know if

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I were an authority and the authorities

2370
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would get on it and if something were

2371
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picked up on radar that was anomalous

2372
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and of course it would have to be

2373
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catalogued now a lot of times I know

2374
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that pilots will not report a UFO simple

2375
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because of all the paperwork involved

2376
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but they do know it's that they do exist

2377
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and they have seen them they have been

2378
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trailed you know in many instances you

2379
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know when I first moved here to the to

2380
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the Netherlands I was here it was in the

2381
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in January three years ago

2382
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I'm on the fourth floor I have an attic

2383
01:38:05,950 --> 01:38:04,130
apartment it's really kind of cool

2384
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:05,960
because I overlook the entire city I

2385
01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:07,760
could see the you know five kilometers

2386
01:38:12,340 --> 01:38:10,280
away and the best night here is on New

2387
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,350
Year's Eve when these these guys blow up

2388
01:38:16,770 --> 01:38:14,800
sixty-five million euros and in

2389
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:16,780
fireworks it's like

2390
01:38:24,210 --> 01:38:20,770
four or three going on but I was sat on

2391
01:38:26,460 --> 01:38:24,220
my veranda and it faces the the north

2392
01:38:29,730 --> 01:38:26,470
and I'm only about a half a mile away

2393
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:29,740
from the North Sea I can actually hear

2394
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:31,810
the waves when the windows open it's

2395
01:38:34,260 --> 01:38:33,010
about two o'clock in the morning I

2396
01:38:36,930 --> 01:38:34,270
couldn't sleep and I'm having a

2397
01:38:39,540 --> 01:38:36,940
cigarette out on the veranda and as I'm

2398
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:39,550
looking at I see these two streams

2399
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:41,170
coming toward me they look like two

2400
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,170
planes on fire okay oh holy cow look at

2401
01:38:47,850 --> 01:38:46,000
all those the the the planes they're

2402
01:38:50,490 --> 01:38:47,860
burning I'm thinking to myself you know

2403
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this is a disaster and as they came

2404
01:38:56,490 --> 01:38:53,530
towards me they kind of stopped in

2405
01:39:00,240 --> 01:38:56,500
midair and they were they were tubular

2406
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:00,250
in shape from within these two tubes I

2407
01:39:04,740 --> 01:39:02,800
saw these two lights come out of one and

2408
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:04,750
then one out of the other the more

2409
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:06,970
distant one had the two and the closest

2410
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:09,310
one to me was just probably about ten

2411
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,110
kilometres seven miles away and they

2412
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:16,480
look like big balls of light just they

2413
01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:17,920
weren't I won't call them orbs because I

2414
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:20,350
could see that they were oscillating and

2415
01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:22,450
I'm thinking okay what is that and I

2416
01:39:27,090 --> 01:39:24,280
watched him come closer and closer to

2417
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:27,100
shore and then eventually they both just

2418
01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:29,770
faded away and so did the the the tubes

2419
01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:33,070
that they came out of did I see a UFO

2420
01:39:37,950 --> 01:39:35,860
yeah I think I saw a tooth not two but

2421
01:39:41,670 --> 01:39:37,960
three and two events that I had never

2422
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:41,680
seen before that's not the only sighting

2423
01:39:47,490 --> 01:39:43,560
I've ever seen I've probably seen about

2424
01:39:49,890 --> 01:39:47,500
1213 sightings over the years and I've

2425
01:39:53,220 --> 01:39:49,900
even investigated a pretty popular UFO

2426
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:53,230
case in Colorado one was that you know

2427
01:39:56,250 --> 01:39:54,010
which one was that

2428
01:39:58,380 --> 01:39:56,260
Hey well you take a name that's a

2429
01:40:01,560 --> 01:39:58,390
popular UFO case in Colorado I have

2430
01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:01,570
client confidentiality going on here the

2431
01:40:09,480 --> 01:40:04,270
Tim Edwards footage in Salida yeah I

2432
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:09,490
know it's so further north will mention

2433
01:40:14,190 --> 01:40:12,370
that it he was really popular with the

2434
01:40:18,900 --> 01:40:14,200
initiative to get the alien there

2435
01:40:22,220 --> 01:40:18,910
registry stand a man anyway the thing is

2436
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:22,230
I ended up resigning from his

2437
01:40:27,110 --> 01:40:24,490
investigation only because you know the

2438
01:40:29,690 --> 01:40:27,120
guy does have a lot of really

2439
01:40:31,580 --> 01:40:29,700
good evidence I mean I looked at some of

2440
01:40:33,950 --> 01:40:31,590
the stuff he's got and it is in my

2441
01:40:37,670 --> 01:40:33,960
opinion irrefutable this stuff is just

2442
01:40:40,940 --> 01:40:37,680
good I analyzed several streams of video

2443
01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:40,950
I cannot release it because again of

2444
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:43,380
confidentiality agreements how about the

2445
01:40:46,970 --> 01:40:44,970
little guy peeking through the window

2446
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:46,980
Channel eyes that you know I saw the

2447
01:40:51,980 --> 01:40:49,650
real video and I cannot explain that

2448
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:51,990
real video I cannot explain it but it

2449
01:40:57,620 --> 01:40:54,000
was nice folks this is Stan Romanek we

2450
01:41:00,440 --> 01:40:57,630
have to reveal okay now we have had Stan

2451
01:41:02,060 --> 01:41:00,450
Romanek on the podcast we were none too

2452
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:02,070
impressed but you're saying by looking

2453
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:04,170
at the original videos you are impressed

2454
01:41:09,170 --> 01:41:06,810
I was impressed I actually spoke with

2455
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:09,180
another another investigator that came

2456
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:11,040
out and actually set up surveillance

2457
01:41:15,380 --> 01:41:12,780
equipment for him she's really famous

2458
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,390
for doing crop circle analysis Nancy

2459
01:41:19,370 --> 01:41:17,280
Talbot oh yeah

2460
01:41:22,460 --> 01:41:19,380
and Nancy and I had an extensive

2461
01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:22,470
conversation with you know over or the

2462
01:41:27,170 --> 01:41:24,450
case and she bought a lot of

2463
01:41:29,690 --> 01:41:27,180
night-vision equipment and surveillance

2464
01:41:33,230 --> 01:41:29,700
equipment to photograph from the outside

2465
01:41:36,230 --> 01:41:33,240
and she sent me a video of an orb coming

2466
01:41:37,730 --> 01:41:36,240
over his house and then going around it

2467
01:41:41,450 --> 01:41:37,740
and then going through the windows and

2468
01:41:44,180 --> 01:41:41,460
through the walls then internally there

2469
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:44,190
are these these spots on the walls that

2470
01:41:49,370 --> 01:41:46,290
look like burn marks but weren't burn

2471
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:49,380
marks but the latex paint bubbled it

2472
01:41:54,890 --> 01:41:50,850
actually went through the video

2473
01:41:57,170 --> 01:41:54,900
equipment because shortly after it went

2474
01:41:59,120 --> 01:41:57,180
into the house the videos camera stopped

2475
01:42:00,860 --> 01:41:59,130
working it went through the video

2476
01:42:02,030 --> 01:42:00,870
equipment and actually and ice looked at

2477
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:02,040
I saw these boards

2478
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:05,370
I saw the equipment and it had about the

2479
01:42:10,370 --> 01:42:07,770
size of a tennis ball and it went right

2480
01:42:12,380 --> 01:42:10,380
straight through them and you can see it

2481
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:12,390
in each layer from the top of the metal

2482
01:42:16,940 --> 01:42:14,970
into the circuit boards down to the next

2483
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:16,950
piece of metal down to the next unit

2484
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:18,330
that was beneath it and it did it all

2485
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:20,310
the way through three of them and then

2486
01:42:23,780 --> 01:42:22,410
out through the cabinet underneath that

2487
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:23,790
they were being supported on in the

2488
01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:27,090
garage and it had the burn marks on the

2489
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:29,070
countertop in the same location where

2490
01:42:34,610 --> 01:42:32,850
these units were sitting there is

2491
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:34,620
nothing in my opinion that could have

2492
01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:36,449
been so precise

2493
01:42:42,740 --> 01:42:39,239
in in lining those up and have those

2494
01:42:46,010 --> 01:42:42,750
holes the same size and not damage

2495
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:46,020
anything but the circuitry and put kind

2496
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:48,449
of like a scorch mark on the metal

2497
01:42:54,140 --> 01:42:51,330
itself and it bubble the metal slightly

2498
01:42:55,700 --> 01:42:54,150
you know taking a magnifying glass and

2499
01:42:59,110 --> 01:42:55,710
look at that metal that metal was

2500
01:43:01,070 --> 01:42:59,120
bubbled right where that circle was I

2501
01:43:05,900 --> 01:43:01,080
you know there was a lot of evidence

2502
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:05,910
that he had the problem with that you

2503
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:09,570
know we saw was the fact that he also

2504
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:13,679
has evidence is questionable and our our

2505
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:15,690
recommendation was that you don't

2506
01:43:21,620 --> 01:43:17,810
release any questionable ever

2507
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:21,630
of really substantial high quality stuff

2508
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:24,840
to put out you know don't put out the

2509
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,050
the stuff that you know mm-hmm taint

2510
01:43:32,990 --> 01:43:30,960
what you do have is quality you know I

2511
01:43:34,939 --> 01:43:33,000
want voice and opinion one way or the

2512
01:43:37,550 --> 01:43:34,949
other about that case except to say come

2513
01:43:39,770 --> 01:43:37,560
on da do okay but I will say this you

2514
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:39,780
know that one I'm not convinced about

2515
01:43:44,419 --> 01:43:42,000
yet but I you know welcome more of your

2516
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:44,429
evidence analysis but I'm said in

2517
01:43:49,220 --> 01:43:46,050
general that maybe a few of these

2518
01:43:51,380 --> 01:43:49,230
contact claimants over the years had one

2519
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:51,390
or two genuine experiences of one sort

2520
01:43:56,060 --> 01:43:54,090
or another they embellish them because

2521
01:43:58,520 --> 01:43:56,070
they appreciate the 15 minutes of fame

2522
01:44:00,800 --> 01:43:58,530
they got from these contactees and

2523
01:44:02,570 --> 01:44:00,810
therefore basically they mess up their

2524
01:44:05,209 --> 01:44:02,580
entire case because you look at

2525
01:44:07,610 --> 01:44:05,219
something you say okay it's a lie here

2526
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:07,620
you sold a lie here we have to assume

2527
01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:10,410
that everything else is a lie whether or

2528
01:44:15,020 --> 01:44:12,900
not unfortunate we talk about

2529
01:44:17,900 --> 01:44:15,030
credibility that's exactly what you want

2530
01:44:19,310 --> 01:44:17,910
to avoid which is why whenever I post

2531
01:44:22,370 --> 01:44:19,320
something that I'm gonna make a

2532
01:44:25,580 --> 01:44:22,380
statement about I usually get concurred

2533
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:25,590
by colleagues that I trust we're getting

2534
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:26,489
some more of at the moment

2535
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:29,040
yari Mikola joining us this week I'm

2536
01:44:35,190 --> 01:44:31,290
Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

2537
01:44:39,339 --> 01:44:35,200
O'Brien you're in the para cast

2538
01:44:42,020 --> 01:44:39,349
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2539
01:44:43,969 --> 01:44:42,030
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2540
01:44:46,250 --> 01:44:43,979
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2541
01:44:48,020 --> 01:44:46,260
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2542
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2543
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2546
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2550
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2551
01:45:10,819 --> 01:45:07,979
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2552
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,829
GCM live.com hi this is Ted Anderson

2553
01:45:14,060 --> 01:45:12,239
have you ever wondered why banks

2554
01:45:15,799 --> 01:45:14,070
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

2555
01:45:18,199 --> 01:45:15,809
talk about gold IRAs they've been

2556
01:45:19,850 --> 01:45:18,209
available since 1986 yet the financial

2557
01:45:21,589 --> 01:45:19,860
industry won't recognize the value of

2558
01:45:23,540 --> 01:45:21,599
gold for your attire 'men gold has

2559
01:45:25,429 --> 01:45:23,550
outperformed paper investments yet no

2560
01:45:38,140 --> 01:45:25,439
word about IRAs if you would like to

2561
01:45:38,150 --> 01:45:43,580
806-853-9949

2562
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:46,410
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

2563
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:49,210
standard of paranormal radio and now

2564
01:46:00,530 --> 01:45:58,310
this is the final third of the show our

2565
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:00,540
episode with yari McCollough of the

2566
01:46:04,820 --> 01:46:02,639
dimension zone he's from the hague

2567
01:46:07,790 --> 01:46:04,830
netherlands we've explored of course

2568
01:46:09,110 --> 01:46:07,800
mostly american-based UFO and paranormal

2569
01:46:12,140 --> 01:46:09,120
researchers but sometimes we have

2570
01:46:13,850 --> 01:46:12,150
exceptions so aj gevaerd from brazil we

2571
01:46:17,570 --> 01:46:13,860
have featured people like for example

2572
01:46:19,610 --> 01:46:17,580
Timothy good and Nick Pope from the UK

2573
01:46:22,129 --> 01:46:19,620
researchers from Australia

2574
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:22,139
so we're remedying that although as you

2575
01:46:27,169 --> 01:46:25,199
see ER is as American as they come

2576
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:27,179
because he spent a lot of years in

2577
01:46:31,610 --> 01:46:29,250
America and he speaks impeccable English

2578
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:31,620
better than I speak English better than

2579
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:33,210
Chris speaks English well at least

2580
01:46:37,250 --> 01:46:34,650
better than I speak English I don't know

2581
01:46:38,300 --> 01:46:37,260
okay so we're exploring this other case

2582
01:46:40,850 --> 01:46:38,310
where you think there's compelling

2583
01:46:43,850 --> 01:46:40,860
evidence now to get back to anything is

2584
01:46:45,620 --> 01:46:43,860
there any indication back to and we're

2585
01:46:47,870 --> 01:46:45,630
gonna leave Jerusalem after this our

2586
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:47,880
little voyage to Jerusalem anything at

2587
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,370
all that might indicate something some

2588
01:46:53,959 --> 01:46:52,320
genuine element or do you think it has

2589
01:46:56,270 --> 01:46:53,969
to be a fake completely based on what

2590
01:46:59,090 --> 01:46:56,280
you've analyzed so far we are the only

2591
01:47:03,169 --> 01:46:59,100
way that I can positively absolutely

2592
01:47:05,780 --> 01:47:03,179
without a doubt confirm a video of a UFO

2593
01:47:09,229 --> 01:47:05,790
is if I saw the bloody thing come down

2594
01:47:12,610 --> 01:47:09,239
from the sky land on the lawn and do

2595
01:47:15,050 --> 01:47:12,620
something and then fly away I know in

2596
01:47:16,970 --> 01:47:15,060
myself that I am a credible witness

2597
01:47:19,340 --> 01:47:16,980
doesn't mean that you're gonna believe

2598
01:47:22,220 --> 01:47:19,350
I'm a credible witness but I know that I

2599
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:22,230
know and in the fact that I saw and

2600
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:23,489
these are the people that are really

2601
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:25,770
hard to come forward because there are

2602
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:27,449
those people that have seen and have had

2603
01:47:31,459 --> 01:47:29,730
sightings that have said nothing there

2604
01:47:33,290 --> 01:47:31,469
are those that have been abducted that

2605
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:33,300
have never said anything because they

2606
01:47:39,050 --> 01:47:35,330
don't want to be put into that pile of

2607
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:39,060
wackos there are people who have seen

2608
01:47:43,010 --> 01:47:41,460
genuine you know have Encounters of

2609
01:47:44,959 --> 01:47:43,020
Third Kind but are afraid to step

2610
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:44,969
forward because of the ridicule that

2611
01:47:48,110 --> 01:47:46,530
they'll get if you really look at

2612
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:48,120
Hollywood and this is something that

2613
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:50,850
I've looked at and love sci-fi and I

2614
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:53,370
love to read between the lines

2615
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:54,810
men in black is a really good example

2616
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:58,080
there are so many lines in that that

2617
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:00,719
could be information being disseminated

2618
01:48:04,340 --> 01:48:03,090
to those that are willing to listen or

2619
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:04,350
to know what the heck they're talking

2620
01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:05,730
about now I understand this is a

2621
01:48:09,859 --> 01:48:07,980
supposedly a comedy movie the men in

2622
01:48:11,839 --> 01:48:09,869
black and men in black - so where do you

2623
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:11,849
things that indicate something genuine

2624
01:48:20,509 --> 01:48:18,449
Oh snippets here and there I love this

2625
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:20,519
scene when Will Smith is watching Tommy

2626
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:22,530
Lee Jones grab a copy of The Enquirer

2627
01:48:26,929 --> 01:48:25,530
the world news off of a newsstand and

2628
01:48:28,819 --> 01:48:26,939
he's looking through it and then we'll

2629
01:48:30,529 --> 01:48:28,829
says what are you reading that for this

2630
01:48:32,270 --> 01:48:30,539
you don't believe any of that he goes

2631
01:48:34,549 --> 01:48:32,280
well we got to get this at the word of

2632
01:48:36,770 --> 01:48:34,559
this stuff out somehow but you know now

2633
01:48:38,689 --> 01:48:36,780
about the National Enquirer is that some

2634
01:48:40,939 --> 01:48:38,699
of the stories it has broken such as of

2635
01:48:42,949 --> 01:48:40,949
course the affair with former Senator

2636
01:48:44,509 --> 01:48:42,959
John Edwards presidential candidate and

2637
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:44,519
everything he had this affair with this

2638
01:48:47,949 --> 01:48:46,530
woman they had a child nobody would pay

2639
01:48:53,810 --> 01:48:47,959
attention it's in the National Enquirer

2640
01:48:56,899 --> 01:48:53,820
guess what it was real information that

2641
01:48:59,689 --> 01:48:56,909
may be disseminated to us that for those

2642
01:49:02,239 --> 01:48:59,699
of us that will listen will hear it okay

2643
01:49:05,029 --> 01:49:02,249
see missing evidence is it the producers

2644
01:49:08,119 --> 01:49:05,039
of the movie is it the government is it

2645
01:49:09,529 --> 01:49:08,129
the silence group ooh well now we're

2646
01:49:11,179 --> 01:49:09,539
getting into the weird and the legacy

2647
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,189
for a million-dollar question there yeah

2648
01:49:14,959 --> 01:49:13,199
that's the $64 question I really do

2649
01:49:16,549 --> 01:49:14,969
believe that the government is hiding a

2650
01:49:17,330 --> 01:49:16,559
lot of things that they haven't been

2651
01:49:19,759 --> 01:49:17,340
forthright

2652
01:49:22,279 --> 01:49:19,769
with no surprise there and the thing is

2653
01:49:24,469 --> 01:49:22,289
is that I think that in my opinion we

2654
01:49:26,359 --> 01:49:24,479
are not alone on this planet you know I

2655
01:49:28,850 --> 01:49:26,369
do think that there's other entities

2656
01:49:30,859 --> 01:49:28,860
here I do believe that there are ways

2657
01:49:32,359 --> 01:49:30,869
that they travel back and forth I've

2658
01:49:33,589 --> 01:49:32,369
often thought it was kind of humorous

2659
01:49:34,939 --> 01:49:33,599
you know if they don't want us to see

2660
01:49:35,989 --> 01:49:34,949
them then why do they put these flashing

2661
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:35,999
lights on their crafts

2662
01:49:41,629 --> 01:49:38,760
that's pretty Here I am hello but the

2663
01:49:43,339 --> 01:49:41,639
thing is is that is it that it's not the

2664
01:49:46,459 --> 01:49:43,349
time you're talking about you know how

2665
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:46,469
these creatures or entities oh I don't

2666
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:48,449
stand out to our reality go ahead I

2667
01:49:53,629 --> 01:49:51,360
don't believe that we are alone on this

2668
01:49:55,819 --> 01:49:53,639
planet and I do believe that they have

2669
01:49:57,649 --> 01:49:55,829
been here for an awful long time hey

2670
01:50:00,649 --> 01:49:57,659
even to the point of manipulating the

2671
01:50:03,529 --> 01:50:00,659
direction that humankind is gone I mean

2672
01:50:06,009 --> 01:50:03,539
you take a look at some of the recent

2673
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:06,019
technology that's come about in the last

2674
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:09,030
40 years let alone the last 400 years

2675
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:12,449
and you see that that we as humans have

2676
01:50:17,839 --> 01:50:16,050
advanced so rapidly that it's almost to

2677
01:50:18,689 --> 01:50:17,849
the point to where where can we go in

2678
01:50:22,169 --> 01:50:18,699
the next 10

2679
01:50:24,449 --> 01:50:22,179
years if it's not to Mars the technology

2680
01:50:28,350 --> 01:50:24,459
that we're getting is sometimes so

2681
01:50:30,660 --> 01:50:28,360
far-fetched like stealth technology like

2682
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:30,670
night vision technology you know

2683
01:50:34,620 --> 01:50:33,010
cloaking devices do we have those I

2684
01:50:37,129 --> 01:50:34,630
wouldn't put it past the government to

2685
01:50:39,839 --> 01:50:37,139
have something like a cloaking device

2686
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:39,849
you know so the thing is is where are

2687
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:41,650
they and where did they come from and

2688
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,050
where are they getting this information

2689
01:50:48,449 --> 01:50:45,280
certainly we came out of caves

2690
01:50:50,939 --> 01:50:48,459
quote-unquote you know and and are we

2691
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,949
intelligent enough to deal with that I'm

2692
01:50:54,089 --> 01:50:52,719
sorry I've driven across the United

2693
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:54,099
States and it scares me that some of

2694
01:51:04,529 --> 01:51:00,880
these people can vote sorry oh right so

2695
01:51:07,049 --> 01:51:04,539
how other bunch of questions okay return

2696
01:51:09,540 --> 01:51:07,059
okay but now you know let's talk about

2697
01:51:11,310 --> 01:51:09,550
these miraculous inventions so we assume

2698
01:51:13,890 --> 01:51:11,320
of course that mankind is clever the

2699
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:13,900
pace of invention innovation is

2700
01:51:18,899 --> 01:51:17,199
accelerating or is et influencing the

2701
01:51:21,509 --> 01:51:18,909
picture are they providing some of this

2702
01:51:23,939 --> 01:51:21,519
technology or why can't we do it

2703
01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:23,949
ourselves that's the big question - well

2704
01:51:27,239 --> 01:51:25,630
you know as far as why we can't do it

2705
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:27,249
ourselves it's kind of like you know

2706
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:29,440
only from your kid and you turn 21 you

2707
01:51:33,419 --> 01:51:31,599
can start to drink you know you start

2708
01:51:35,759 --> 01:51:33,429
getting drunk you know the new

2709
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:35,769
technology is like a toy you know with

2710
01:51:39,899 --> 01:51:37,510
especially with the military everything

2711
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:39,909
is always for something destructive the

2712
01:51:43,770 --> 01:51:42,130
question is is if you think about it

2713
01:51:47,129 --> 01:51:43,780
again when you think about it the

2714
01:51:48,540 --> 01:51:47,139
military is for years been been advanced

2715
01:51:50,279 --> 01:51:48,550
you know everything is always for

2716
01:51:52,979 --> 01:51:50,289
military purpose so all of the

2717
01:51:58,140 --> 01:51:52,989
technology that's come about is being

2718
01:52:01,140 --> 01:51:58,150
used for destruction and and they say

2719
01:52:04,049 --> 01:52:01,150
for protection but a come on I mean we

2720
01:52:06,989 --> 01:52:04,059
knew there were no nukes in Iraq we knew

2721
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,999
there were no nukes in Afghanistan but

2722
01:52:11,759 --> 01:52:08,320
we needed a reason to go in there

2723
01:52:14,669 --> 01:52:11,769
because there's is oil there as well in

2724
01:52:16,830 --> 01:52:14,679
Iraq but Afghanistan has of course a lot

2725
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,840
of natural resources not necessarily oil

2726
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:18,639
yeah but see there's a lot of oil in

2727
01:52:23,279 --> 01:52:20,320
Chechnya and the only way to get it to

2728
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:23,289
to the coast into oil tankers is to run

2729
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:25,440
it across Afghanistan

2730
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:28,290
so and so yeah so you can keep adding it

2731
01:52:33,500 --> 01:52:31,050
up oil is the name of the game but when

2732
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:33,510
it comes to the technology you know why

2733
01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:37,050
is it that we are you know we're not

2734
01:52:43,250 --> 01:52:39,780
given privileged information and why is

2735
01:52:45,770 --> 01:52:43,260
one NASA here let's go back to NASA do

2736
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:45,780
you know the NASA's budget is larger

2737
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,050
than any other department in the United

2738
01:52:53,470 --> 01:52:51,840
States government I don't know about

2739
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:53,480
that

2740
01:52:58,190 --> 01:52:55,650
Department the Defense Department I

2741
01:53:03,820 --> 01:52:58,200
think it was bigger than the Defense

2742
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:03,830
Department's when it's not that now no

2743
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:09,210
it was in 2002 and 2003 I did not know

2744
01:53:14,650 --> 01:53:12,570
that yes sir it was and that's why I

2745
01:53:17,540 --> 01:53:14,660
think the shuttles have been cut back

2746
01:53:19,930 --> 01:53:17,550
but the thing is just that most of the

2747
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:19,940
stuff that they do is top-secret

2748
01:53:25,790 --> 01:53:22,290
most of the stuff they do is for

2749
01:53:30,260 --> 01:53:25,800
military you know the new Navy

2750
01:53:32,540 --> 01:53:30,270
commercial it ends in space almost kind

2751
01:53:34,820 --> 01:53:32,550
of hinting around that if you join the

2752
01:53:37,070 --> 01:53:34,830
Navy now you might be a you know an

2753
01:53:38,630 --> 01:53:37,080
officer in space it's a very interesting

2754
01:53:43,100 --> 01:53:38,640
commercial they had on the Superbowl

2755
01:53:45,890 --> 01:53:43,110
that I haven't seen anybody mention it

2756
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:45,900
but there was some real obvious hints in

2757
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,810
there that that the Navy is in space

2758
01:53:52,190 --> 01:53:50,400
let's put it that way and of course that

2759
01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:52,200
that you know harkens back to the gary

2760
01:53:58,040 --> 01:53:55,590
mckinnon find that when he hacked into

2761
01:54:01,360 --> 01:53:58,050
the Defense Department computers he

2762
01:54:04,700 --> 01:54:01,370
found the list of off-planet officers

2763
01:54:07,370 --> 01:54:04,710
but what's interesting is I read an

2764
01:54:09,980 --> 01:54:07,380
interesting report it wasn't from NASA

2765
01:54:12,290 --> 01:54:09,990
so it didn't come from there but it was

2766
01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:12,300
basically that did we land on the moon

2767
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:14,520
well that debates been going on for

2768
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:16,890
years the answer is yes and the answer

2769
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:20,970
is no the first two times we did we were

2770
01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:23,730
told not to come back let's say you know

2771
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,900
I have you know after the first time

2772
01:54:27,950 --> 01:54:26,400
what we came when back at second time

2773
01:54:30,290 --> 01:54:27,960
and we started the third time guess what

2774
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:30,300
they did they put a stop to it that was

2775
01:54:35,450 --> 01:54:33,210
Apollo 13 the the three or four times

2776
01:54:36,590 --> 01:54:35,460
after that were filmed on this planet

2777
01:54:36,970 --> 01:54:36,600
because they were already committed to

2778
01:54:41,710 --> 01:54:36,980
the

2779
01:54:44,380 --> 01:54:41,720
think Edgar Mitchell might have a kind

2780
01:54:49,120 --> 01:54:44,390
of argument there because he of course

2781
01:54:50,979 --> 01:54:49,130
was on apollo 14 and and he vocal about

2782
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:50,989
the fact that he did go to the moon and

2783
01:54:58,630 --> 01:54:57,760
compelling argument though I'm strong

2784
01:55:01,570 --> 01:54:58,640
won't talk about it

2785
01:55:03,100 --> 01:55:01,580
neither will Aldrin no most people don't

2786
01:55:05,260 --> 01:55:03,110
know that when Neil Armstrong came back

2787
01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:05,270
one of the first major things that he

2788
01:55:11,470 --> 01:55:07,840
did after the hoopla of the moon landing

2789
01:55:13,420 --> 01:55:11,480
subsided in the early 70s was go looking

2790
01:55:16,420 --> 01:55:13,430
for underground an underground city I

2791
01:55:18,250 --> 01:55:16,430
think in Bolivia and was part of a team

2792
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that did this may just Blanc in

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expedition in the Amazon not not many

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people know that we'll get into more of

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joining us the dimension zone is the

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site I'm Jean Steinberg Chris O'Brien's

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the co-host here in the para cast and

2901
02:00:29,770 --> 02:00:27,710
now we raise the specter of fake moon

2902
02:00:31,390 --> 02:00:29,780
missions but how do we prove that I mean

2903
02:00:34,360 --> 02:00:31,400
all the evidence we've seen is pretty

2904
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:34,370
well been debunked so far that you know

2905
02:00:38,140 --> 02:00:35,690
the moon landings were faked

2906
02:00:40,990 --> 02:00:38,150
so how would we prove that say for

2907
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:41,000
example ET or the lunar rites or

2908
02:00:45,460 --> 02:00:43,250
whatever they are came to the astronauts

2909
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:45,470
and said you're not going back here

2910
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:47,690
anymore leave well first so first of all

2911
02:00:51,730 --> 02:00:49,760
it and then we touched on it earlier in

2912
02:00:53,650 --> 02:00:51,740
the show about the background being

2913
02:00:55,990 --> 02:00:53,660
black on a lot of the moon photographs

2914
02:00:58,120 --> 02:00:56,000
there's just little crosses on each of

2915
02:01:00,460 --> 02:00:58,130
the film on each of the frames of film

2916
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:00,470
that were taken those crosses are

2917
02:01:06,670 --> 02:01:03,290
identifiers to determine distance and

2918
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:06,680
there are no crosses in the in the black

2919
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:07,970
background where there should be white

2920
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:10,010
crosses also there's a lot of times when

2921
02:01:15,370 --> 02:01:13,010
a cross will overlap an overlay that was

2922
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:15,380
put into the film or there might be an

2923
02:01:21,730 --> 02:01:18,770
image put onto the mask of the or the

2924
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:21,740
the helmets of the astronauts with

2925
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:24,290
lighting when their back is to the light

2926
02:01:28,870 --> 02:01:26,570
and their faces to the darkness so there

2927
02:01:30,970 --> 02:01:28,880
would be nothing to reflect looking at

2928
02:01:33,220 --> 02:01:30,980
the rules of physics ends the law of

2929
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:33,230
lighting I mean I that's I can't help

2930
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:35,210
myself when I'm doing that I mean it

2931
02:01:38,620 --> 02:01:36,770
just happens and so there's a lot of

2932
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:38,630
anomalies with the photographs that were

2933
02:01:44,020 --> 02:01:40,850
taken between fourteen fifteen and

2934
02:01:46,450 --> 02:01:44,030
sixteen including the fact that 14 and

2935
02:01:49,690 --> 02:01:46,460
16 were approximately a thousand miles

2936
02:01:51,610 --> 02:01:49,700
apart of each other when they landed but

2937
02:01:53,350 --> 02:01:51,620
yet there's a section of film where the

2938
02:01:55,900 --> 02:01:53,360
two astronauts are coming down the hill

2939
02:01:57,730 --> 02:01:55,910
and the hill is exactly the same Hill

2940
02:02:01,060 --> 02:01:57,740
from the same shot with the same

2941
02:02:03,310 --> 02:02:01,070
boulders in the same locations okay how

2942
02:02:05,860 --> 02:02:03,320
did that happen that's interesting also

2943
02:02:10,540 --> 02:02:05,870
taking the lighting on several of the

2944
02:02:13,570 --> 02:02:10,550
other shots there is no images analysis

2945
02:02:15,430 --> 02:02:13,580
from what videos I had which weren't the

2946
02:02:17,410 --> 02:02:15,440
originals and by the way they don't

2947
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:17,420
exist anymore because it's now digitized

2948
02:02:24,220 --> 02:02:21,050
they lose all that original footage

2949
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:24,230
supposedly supposedly there's no more

2950
02:02:28,570 --> 02:02:26,450
available to anybody it does appear on

2951
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:28,580
some of the the still photographs that

2952
02:02:35,620 --> 02:02:31,130
there is a secondary lights or some sort

2953
02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:35,630
of fill lighting that's coming in gamma

2954
02:02:39,940 --> 02:02:38,030
lighting and in dim and light and you

2955
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:39,950
actually see filaments in any in the

2956
02:02:43,660 --> 02:02:41,690
light source it looks like this very

2957
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:43,670
powerful light but also the shadows fall

2958
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:46,010
in different directions you know so

2959
02:02:49,900 --> 02:02:47,360
there's a lot of things about the the

2960
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:49,910
moon shots on 14 15 and 16 that are

2961
02:02:55,270 --> 02:02:52,880
questionable but yet on 11 and 12 they

2962
02:02:57,700 --> 02:02:55,280
look pretty good also if you think about

2963
02:03:01,570 --> 02:02:57,710
it here's the lunar lander this landing

2964
02:03:03,850 --> 02:03:01,580
on powder type dirt that basically got

2965
02:03:06,220 --> 02:03:03,860
all over their stuff but yet there was

2966
02:03:09,340 --> 02:03:06,230
no powder on the feet of the Landers and

2967
02:03:12,700 --> 02:03:09,350
when it took off there was no no cloud

2968
02:03:15,330 --> 02:03:12,710
of dust that came up when it shot up you

2969
02:03:19,270 --> 02:03:15,340
know from the moon to head back to earth

2970
02:03:21,610 --> 02:03:19,280
interesting no we can see some of the

2971
02:03:22,930 --> 02:03:21,620
gear we left from Earth we can see some

2972
02:03:25,150 --> 02:03:22,940
of the gear that was left behind by

2973
02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:25,160
telescopes so I mean that's one

2974
02:03:29,140 --> 02:03:27,170
counter-argument but but yeah there's a

2975
02:03:33,370 --> 02:03:29,150
lot about those photographs and 11 and

2976
02:03:35,620 --> 02:03:33,380
12 but we not from 14 15 and 16 the gear

2977
02:03:37,450 --> 02:03:35,630
is from the Sea of Tranquility that's

2978
02:03:39,160 --> 02:03:37,460
the only maybe that's why your mitchell

2979
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:39,170
is so convinced there's et's because he

2980
02:03:46,540 --> 02:03:43,610
was warned away a lot of I want to say

2981
02:03:48,010 --> 02:03:46,550
the reports that I've heard and been

2982
02:03:49,870 --> 02:03:48,020
sent to me on articles within the

2983
02:03:52,510 --> 02:03:49,880
magazine that have some have some

2984
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:52,520
haven't been published it's the fact

2985
02:03:56,470 --> 02:03:55,370
that there are ancient artifacts out

2986
02:03:59,950 --> 02:03:56,480
there there are buildings

2987
02:04:02,950 --> 02:03:59,960
ruins even some of as high as five miles

2988
02:04:05,230 --> 02:04:02,960
high this for quite a while all these

2989
02:04:06,580 --> 02:04:05,240
lunar anomalies and on occasion we've

2990
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:06,590
explored them in the past the big

2991
02:04:11,260 --> 02:04:09,110
question is here okay how do we prove

2992
02:04:12,670 --> 02:04:11,270
that where's the evidence to prove that

2993
02:04:15,330 --> 02:04:12,680
if we're not going back to the moon

2994
02:04:16,859 --> 02:04:15,340
anytime soon how are we going to confirm

2995
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:16,869
anything except by photographic evidence

2996
02:04:21,660 --> 02:04:19,119
of some kind now the Japanese just sent

2997
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:21,670
some a lunar mission and they took some

2998
02:04:26,879 --> 02:04:23,920
excellent photographs of the moon and I

2999
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:26,889
saw nothing on that that would even

3000
02:04:30,870 --> 02:04:28,690
signify that there's anything up there

3001
02:04:32,399 --> 02:04:30,880
and it was the High Definition was

3002
02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:32,409
available and it took a long time to

3003
02:04:38,459 --> 02:04:35,250
download but I was able to get it also

3004
02:04:41,010 --> 02:04:38,469
what's his name new moon rising did you

3005
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:41,020
guys see that or moon rising the truth

3006
02:04:46,410 --> 02:04:44,770
be told - Shh but the lunar missions hmm

3007
02:04:50,370 --> 02:04:46,420
I'm not sure if I'm aware of that no

3008
02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:50,380
it's it's in the Enigma video gallery on

3009
02:04:55,050 --> 02:04:52,690
the on our website on the dimensions own

3010
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,060
but there's a series of films that

3011
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:57,760
actually goes over where he had taken a

3012
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:00,159
lot of photographs of the moon and video

3013
02:05:05,220 --> 02:05:02,800
of the moon and then colored them in a

3014
02:05:06,990 --> 02:05:05,230
way that it uses a color palette similar

3015
02:05:08,399 --> 02:05:07,000
to the palette of the earth and it

3016
02:05:11,220 --> 02:05:08,409
actually brought it alive to a

3017
02:05:12,810 --> 02:05:11,230
three-dimensional look and really prized

3018
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:12,820
a lot of things in the foreground so I

3019
02:05:17,609 --> 02:05:15,010
have a look at that I can't think of it

3020
02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:17,619
off the name of it I can you'll think of

3021
02:05:21,180 --> 02:05:19,210
it two seconds after we finish the show

3022
02:05:23,129 --> 02:05:21,190
after we finish and I can certainly send

3023
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:23,139
you the email and tell you where it's at

3024
02:05:27,140 --> 02:05:24,400
well you know by the way I should

3025
02:05:29,820 --> 02:05:27,150
mention to our listeners that we

3026
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:29,830
hoodwink yaari into participating in the

3027
02:05:34,050 --> 02:05:31,810
power cast forms at forum dr parra cast

3028
02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:34,060
comm so possibly if you have the

3029
02:05:38,580 --> 02:05:35,440
information you'll post a question there

3030
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:38,590
I have a question about a case that's

3031
02:05:43,020 --> 02:05:40,630
been ongoing the Nancy Talbots been

3032
02:05:45,089 --> 02:05:43,030
involved with it's occurring just up the

3033
02:05:47,250 --> 02:05:45,099
road from you and the robert van der

3034
02:05:49,290 --> 02:05:47,260
broker case are you familiar with that

3035
02:05:51,390 --> 02:05:49,300
have you done any sort of analytical

3036
02:05:53,820 --> 02:05:51,400
work on some of the pretty intriguing

3037
02:05:55,140 --> 02:05:53,830
photographs and and footage that's come

3038
02:05:57,810 --> 02:05:55,150
out of that particular case are you

3039
02:06:00,689 --> 02:05:57,820
aware of it yes I'm aware of it and he

3040
02:06:03,089 --> 02:06:00,699
has been debunked okay now let's get

3041
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:03,099
into that because we had Nancy Talbot on

3042
02:06:07,109 --> 02:06:05,050
the show and I think she hates us now

3043
02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:07,119
because we were very skeptical on the

3044
02:06:12,540 --> 02:06:09,070
power cast of this particular incident

3045
02:06:15,479 --> 02:06:12,550
how has he been debunked well he he's

3046
02:06:17,129 --> 02:06:15,489
supposedly a psychic and he was given a

3047
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:17,139
list of people that wanted to meet him

3048
02:06:22,650 --> 02:06:21,010
and he did a lot of research on their

3049
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:22,660
families on the web

3050
02:06:28,170 --> 02:06:26,050
apparently and he found the one of the

3051
02:06:30,780 --> 02:06:28,180
questions one of the things that he said

3052
02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:30,790
he'd done is he was in contact with the

3053
02:06:35,220 --> 02:06:33,490
father or the deceased of the person who

3054
02:06:38,100 --> 02:06:35,230
wanted to make contact with it with his

3055
02:06:40,050 --> 02:06:38,110
father and he said that he doesn't know

3056
02:06:44,100 --> 02:06:40,060
what kind of work he did but he was

3057
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:44,110
called this in Dutch makes protecting

3058
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:45,670
Netherlands I do speak Dutch not real

3059
02:06:48,990 --> 02:06:47,290
well but I just speak it and understand

3060
02:06:51,810 --> 02:06:49,000
it and that's not one of the seven dirty

3061
02:06:56,970 --> 02:06:51,820
Dutch words no no no no Christ me I know

3062
02:06:58,500 --> 02:06:56,980
those okay yeah I could throw those that

3063
02:07:01,080 --> 02:06:58,510
you would know would you that's right

3064
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:01,090
but I network does they got multilingual

3065
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:03,370
specialists who are going to basically

3066
02:07:08,730 --> 02:07:06,250
catch us before we do it anyway what he

3067
02:07:11,430 --> 02:07:08,740
was doing is he was obviously research

3068
02:07:13,740 --> 02:07:11,440
the information because the profession

3069
02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:13,750
that he listed his father is doing was

3070
02:07:18,780 --> 02:07:15,940
unknown and they thought it was you know

3071
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:18,790
he excused it as an old type work that

3072
02:07:22,170 --> 02:07:20,410
you know we would probably don't do

3073
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:22,180
anymore well it turned out that it was a

3074
02:07:26,490 --> 02:07:24,610
misspelling on the web when you add a

3075
02:07:28,230 --> 02:07:26,500
letter to it and I can't remember what

3076
02:07:30,330 --> 02:07:28,240
the word is exactly because my Dutch is

3077
02:07:33,570 --> 02:07:30,340
like I said not perfect but it basically

3078
02:07:35,940 --> 02:07:33,580
meant he was a mill grinder he used to

3079
02:07:38,730 --> 02:07:35,950
make he used to blend the the stuff to

3080
02:07:41,610 --> 02:07:38,740
make beer bent all the grains and in the

3081
02:07:43,470 --> 02:07:41,620
mill to make beer all you had to do was

3082
02:07:46,830 --> 02:07:43,480
add one letter so it was a misspelling

3083
02:07:49,740 --> 02:07:46,840
on the web but yet he quoted it as it

3084
02:07:50,970 --> 02:07:49,750
was on the web I've been down to that

3085
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:50,980
areas matter of fact I just got through

3086
02:07:55,170 --> 02:07:52,570
work in that area across the line of

3087
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:55,180
Belgium and I've driven by his place a

3088
02:07:59,490 --> 02:07:57,010
few times to kind of see if I could

3089
02:08:01,710 --> 02:07:59,500
spotted in the crop circles and I didn't

3090
02:08:03,690 --> 02:08:01,720
see anything but I looked at some of the

3091
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:03,700
photographs of the crop circles and you

3092
02:08:06,860 --> 02:08:05,890
know there are some photographs that I

3093
02:08:09,390 --> 02:08:06,870
can't explain

3094
02:08:11,850 --> 02:08:09,400
like bowls of Lightning coming through

3095
02:08:14,670 --> 02:08:11,860
through the ceiling going through him

3096
02:08:17,700 --> 02:08:14,680
and through Mansi sitting at the table I

3097
02:08:19,620 --> 02:08:17,710
couldn't explain those and she sent me

3098
02:08:22,980 --> 02:08:19,630
copies of her original digital and I

3099
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:22,990
still can't explain them so yeah that

3100
02:08:25,770 --> 02:08:23,650
was compelling

3101
02:08:28,620 --> 02:08:25,780
okay what's compelling is the fact that

3102
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our guest this week is yari Miko up our

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3192
02:12:27,780 --> 02:12:21,490
HB extract calm or call eight six six

3193
02:12:30,900 --> 02:12:27,790
two nine five 5305 I saw dramatic

3194
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:30,910
improvements from taking body details at

3195
02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:33,490
HB extract calm or call eight six six

3196
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:36,730
two nine five 5305 for heart and body

3197
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:41,370
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3198
02:12:52,830 --> 02:12:44,770
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3199
02:12:55,500 --> 02:12:52,840
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3200
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:55,510
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3201
02:13:00,990 --> 02:12:58,000
two about the para cast which I believe

3202
02:13:07,980 --> 02:13:01,000
is the gold standard of paranormal radio

3203
02:13:07,990 --> 02:13:14,790
[Music]

3204
02:13:20,739 --> 02:13:17,379
two more segments left with our visit

3205
02:13:22,959 --> 02:13:20,749
with yari mykola he's in the Netherlands

3206
02:13:25,989 --> 02:13:22,969
Chris O'Brien my co-host and I well

3207
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:25,999
we're here in Arizona about 120 miles

3208
02:13:30,910 --> 02:13:27,650
apart but you know what we're in a

3209
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:30,920
virtual room on the para cast okay so is

3210
02:13:35,589 --> 02:13:34,159
there a smoking gun with this case that

3211
02:13:37,359 --> 02:13:35,599
we're talking about I don't know where

3212
02:13:39,489 --> 02:13:37,369
he's gone but I would say that's a

3213
02:13:41,469 --> 02:13:39,499
pretty much of a smoking gun that he was

3214
02:13:43,330 --> 02:13:41,479
basically giving information that he

3215
02:13:44,919 --> 02:13:43,340
obviously pulled from the web so he did

3216
02:13:46,660 --> 02:13:44,929
good cold readings we used to call them

3217
02:13:48,759 --> 02:13:46,670
cold readings and of course in the days

3218
02:13:51,489 --> 02:13:48,769
of carnivals they would have people who

3219
02:13:53,290 --> 02:13:51,499
were just basically very smart very

3220
02:13:55,120 --> 02:13:53,300
intuitive and could basically look at

3221
02:13:57,100 --> 02:13:55,130
body language or how people answer

3222
02:13:59,009 --> 02:13:57,110
things and they would come up with a

3223
02:14:01,839 --> 02:13:59,019
good cold reading which is basically

3224
02:14:04,750 --> 02:14:01,849
guessing things about a person using

3225
02:14:07,029 --> 02:14:04,760
that person and their prompts to get

3226
02:14:09,399 --> 02:14:07,039
more and more closer to the facts here

3227
02:14:11,200 --> 02:14:09,409
he was doing it the cheap easy way which

3228
02:14:13,450 --> 02:14:11,210
was a Google search or something like

3229
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:13,460
that and I've never met him personally

3230
02:14:18,189 --> 02:14:16,010
and every time I asked Nancy if I could

3231
02:14:19,870 --> 02:14:18,199
meet him since I was here you know she

3232
02:14:21,580 --> 02:14:19,880
wouldn't give me any information where

3233
02:14:23,500 --> 02:14:21,590
is that but I was able to find his web

3234
02:14:26,169 --> 02:14:23,510
site I never did make contact with him

3235
02:14:27,819 --> 02:14:26,179
especially since I talked with the one

3236
02:14:29,560 --> 02:14:27,829
of the paranormal investigators here who

3237
02:14:33,310 --> 02:14:29,570
told me the story I just related to you

3238
02:14:35,620 --> 02:14:33,320
we put that into the as they say the no

3239
02:14:37,509 --> 02:14:35,630
box not a gray area but something where

3240
02:14:39,100 --> 02:14:37,519
we can just basically say this effect

3241
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:39,110
now could it be like some of these other

3242
02:14:44,819 --> 02:14:41,690
cases where maybe he had some kind of

3243
02:14:47,439 --> 02:14:44,829
real experience of some sort and then

3244
02:14:49,419 --> 02:14:47,449
wanted his thirty minutes of fame rather

3245
02:14:50,290 --> 02:14:49,429
than the 15 minutes I think that's

3246
02:14:52,419 --> 02:14:50,300
what's happening

3247
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:52,429
is the fact that he does have some some

3248
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:53,690
evidence that like I said I could

3249
02:14:57,489 --> 02:14:55,610
explain as far as the crop circles that

3250
02:14:59,560 --> 02:14:57,499
I saw from the photographs were provided

3251
02:15:01,540 --> 02:14:59,570
to me by Nancy the crop circles were

3252
02:15:03,069 --> 02:15:01,550
crude at best you know they look like

3253
02:15:04,989 --> 02:15:03,079
they could have been done by boars but

3254
02:15:07,839 --> 02:15:04,999
she did her analysis on them and found

3255
02:15:10,299 --> 02:15:07,849
that you know the the nodes on them were

3256
02:15:12,129 --> 02:15:10,309
stretched like what she explains in a

3257
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:12,139
real crop circle that's unexplainable

3258
02:15:16,689 --> 02:15:14,239
where the it couldn't possibly have been

3259
02:15:18,219 --> 02:15:16,699
done by boards but they did look like

3260
02:15:18,959 --> 02:15:18,229
they were done by ports I mean they

3261
02:15:21,779 --> 02:15:18,969
didn't look

3262
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:21,789
any-any grave a beautiful image that you

3263
02:15:26,339 --> 02:15:24,249
see you know in the fields of England

3264
02:15:27,509 --> 02:15:26,349
which by the way I will be going with

3265
02:15:30,810 --> 02:15:27,519
Andrew :

3266
02:15:32,370 --> 02:15:30,820
this next crop circle season and she

3267
02:15:34,169 --> 02:15:32,380
invited me to come out and take a look

3268
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:34,179
at some crop circles I'm kind of looking

3269
02:15:38,609 --> 02:15:36,249
forward to that so you think some crop

3270
02:15:41,819 --> 02:15:38,619
circles are more than just artistic

3271
02:15:44,549 --> 02:15:41,829
creations on our part definitely just

3272
02:15:47,549 --> 02:15:44,559
too much him too much evidence to to be

3273
02:15:50,459 --> 02:15:47,559
to the contrary I mean there is one guy

3274
02:15:53,310 --> 02:15:50,469
who who is able to create an elaborate

3275
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:53,320
crop circle copy in a period of eight

3276
02:15:58,020 --> 02:15:55,119
hours during the night to prove a point

3277
02:15:59,450 --> 02:15:58,030
he barely finished in time and it wasn't

3278
02:16:01,680 --> 02:15:59,460
quite the same size as the original

3279
02:16:03,839 --> 02:16:01,690
however he did a good job and it would

3280
02:16:05,489 --> 02:16:03,849
have been a pretty good fake but for the

3281
02:16:07,859 --> 02:16:05,499
most part I can just can't see a bunch

3282
02:16:09,930 --> 02:16:07,869
of guys in a pub running out to the

3283
02:16:11,819 --> 02:16:09,940
hillsides of England you know the middle

3284
02:16:13,020 --> 02:16:11,829
of night with boards and determining

3285
02:16:15,810 --> 02:16:13,030
that they're gonna make something so

3286
02:16:16,739 --> 02:16:15,820
perfect in the dark that that it defies

3287
02:16:18,989 --> 02:16:16,749
explanation

3288
02:16:22,049 --> 02:16:18,999
I just don't buy that it's just it's too

3289
02:16:24,779 --> 02:16:22,059
unexplainable hmm there's some hope so

3290
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:24,789
yeah you know there definitely are there

3291
02:16:29,279 --> 02:16:27,070
are some no question about it that still

3292
02:16:31,830 --> 02:16:29,289
is a very obviously it's a controversial

3293
02:16:34,049 --> 02:16:31,840
subject and if you go to England and you

3294
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:34,059
start talking hoaxes with some of the

3295
02:16:40,589 --> 02:16:37,439
crop circle researchers you will not be

3296
02:16:43,679 --> 02:16:40,599
very long in their in their good stead

3297
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:43,689
let's put it that way but if you look at

3298
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,569
John Lundgren I think his worth team

3299
02:16:51,209 --> 02:16:48,399
satan and matthew williams and some of

3300
02:16:52,500 --> 02:16:51,219
the other of claimed hoaxes was one of

3301
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:52,510
the most interesting stories that i've

3302
02:16:58,040 --> 02:16:55,120
heard was one of the the hoaxing crews

3303
02:17:01,650 --> 02:16:58,050
was madly scrambling to finish a

3304
02:17:04,110 --> 02:17:01,660
particular glyph before before dawn and

3305
02:17:06,269 --> 02:17:04,120
they left they got it done they left

3306
02:17:08,700 --> 02:17:06,279
somebody on a nearby kind of a small

3307
02:17:09,900 --> 02:17:08,710
Knoll to check out and see if you know

3308
02:17:12,750 --> 02:17:09,910
who would be the first person there

3309
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:12,760
drive by and be able to spot it and he

3310
02:17:16,679 --> 02:17:14,290
got up on this no one looked down and

3311
02:17:19,650 --> 02:17:16,689
right in the field next to the hoax

3312
02:17:21,690 --> 02:17:19,660
circle was a fresh circle that hadn't

3313
02:17:23,849 --> 02:17:21,700
been there the day before that had been

3314
02:17:25,650 --> 02:17:23,859
done while they were doing their circle

3315
02:17:27,929 --> 02:17:25,660
it had been done in the next field and

3316
02:17:29,370 --> 02:17:27,939
they had no idea they never saw anything

3317
02:17:31,310 --> 02:17:29,380
they never heard anything there were no

3318
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:31,320
lights no anything so

3319
02:17:38,030 --> 02:17:35,490
those were bamboozled by a real like

3320
02:17:39,230 --> 02:17:38,040
it's like the what was that the x-files

3321
02:17:41,419 --> 02:17:39,240
episode I've mentioned this a couple

3322
02:17:43,310 --> 02:17:41,429
times on the show where you have the

3323
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:43,320
military abduction team dressed up as

3324
02:17:46,970 --> 02:17:45,120
aliens doing an abduction on a roadside

3325
02:17:48,890 --> 02:17:46,980
and then the real aliens show up and

3326
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:48,900
abduct them that's one of my favorite

3327
02:17:56,660 --> 02:17:55,050
all-time scenes from a TV show they ask

3328
02:17:58,160 --> 02:17:56,670
you a question that was hinted at

3329
02:17:59,690 --> 02:17:58,170
earlier of course you work for the

3330
02:18:01,580 --> 02:17:59,700
government you get a sense of it we

3331
02:18:03,799 --> 02:18:01,590
talked about possibly faking some of

3332
02:18:07,160 --> 02:18:03,809
those moon landings so when we go to

3333
02:18:09,709 --> 02:18:07,170
things like these UFO films / Temple

3334
02:18:11,930 --> 02:18:09,719
Mount in Jerusalem Israel do we think

3335
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:11,940
that just some private people with their

3336
02:18:15,799 --> 02:18:14,160
copies of Photoshop and Adobe After

3337
02:18:18,589 --> 02:18:15,809
Effects and the camcorder put it all

3338
02:18:20,570 --> 02:18:18,599
together or maybe the government here or

3339
02:18:22,910 --> 02:18:20,580
elsewhere did something to divert our

3340
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:22,920
attention or just - shall we say you

3341
02:18:29,720 --> 02:18:26,490
have fun I'm not really now intervention

3342
02:18:31,549 --> 02:18:29,730
I mean the thing is it's it's very

3343
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:31,559
typical of the government to feed his

3344
02:18:36,020 --> 02:18:33,599
truth and lies mixed together to confuse

3345
02:18:40,010 --> 02:18:36,030
us I mean that's been going on since you

3346
02:18:41,870 --> 02:18:40,020
know mankind first was able to ugh - a

3347
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:41,880
woman I mean I'm sorry it's just like no

3348
02:18:47,750 --> 02:18:45,090
they've been lying and and filling her

3349
02:18:49,339 --> 02:18:47,760
head with chews and lies and confuses so

3350
02:18:50,930 --> 02:18:49,349
you basically either have to throw it

3351
02:18:53,480 --> 02:18:50,940
all out or you have to believe it all

3352
02:18:56,209 --> 02:18:53,490
and the thing is is that okay so in most

3353
02:18:58,220 --> 02:18:56,219
cases people don't believe that UFOs

3354
02:19:00,740 --> 02:18:58,230
exist so they're gonna make sure that we

3355
02:19:02,270 --> 02:19:00,750
really believe that they don't but maybe

3356
02:19:03,650 --> 02:19:02,280
they're trying to make us think that now

3357
02:19:05,629 --> 02:19:03,660
that they do so they're putting that

3358
02:19:07,790 --> 02:19:05,639
more quality I don't know it's hard to

3359
02:19:09,740 --> 02:19:07,800
say you call it it's pretty elaborate

3360
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:09,750
it seems pretty elaborate with these

3361
02:19:18,020 --> 02:19:13,490
additional you know clips coming forward

3362
02:19:20,540 --> 02:19:18,030
it's it seems to be a well thought out

3363
02:19:22,580 --> 02:19:20,550
hoax if it is a hoax which I think we

3364
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:22,590
can pretty much agree that there's

3365
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:25,050
there's enough elements to the footage

3366
02:19:30,290 --> 02:19:27,210
to to suggest that it that it was

3367
02:19:32,540 --> 02:19:30,300
fabricated but I'm still intrigued by

3368
02:19:35,480 --> 02:19:32,550
the actual location that was chosen to

3369
02:19:36,860 --> 02:19:35,490
do this and by the timing of it and it

3370
02:19:40,100 --> 02:19:36,870
seems to me that there's some sort of

3371
02:19:41,900 --> 02:19:40,110
societal sort of very subtle societal

3372
02:19:43,100 --> 02:19:41,910
programming a manipulation going on with

3373
02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:43,110
the choice of the Dome of the rock

3374
02:19:46,821 --> 02:19:44,970
mosque and of course

3375
02:19:48,890 --> 02:19:46,831
obviously the the old city of Jerusalem

3376
02:19:51,741 --> 02:19:48,900
as the location so this is something

3377
02:19:55,850 --> 02:19:51,751
that I don't see many people commenting

3378
02:19:58,701 --> 02:19:55,860
on online and I think it's it's to me

3379
02:20:01,281 --> 02:19:58,711
it's in it's an indication of a fairly

3380
02:20:03,531 --> 02:20:01,291
elaborate agenda going on that doesn't

3381
02:20:05,691 --> 02:20:03,541
solely have something to do with just

3382
02:20:08,841 --> 02:20:05,701
UFOs and being sensational about UFOs

3383
02:20:11,180 --> 02:20:08,851
one of the theories that I actually have

3384
02:20:14,270 --> 02:20:11,190
a tendency to agree with a lot of what

3385
02:20:17,691 --> 02:20:14,280
I've heard and read and studied is that

3386
02:20:20,541 --> 02:20:17,701
we were genetically engineered as humans

3387
02:20:22,401 --> 02:20:20,551
you know we have a genetic code that has

3388
02:20:24,501 --> 02:20:22,411
one pair of chromosomes that are joined

3389
02:20:25,911 --> 02:20:24,511
and there's no other species on this

3390
02:20:27,921 --> 02:20:25,921
planet that has a joined pair of

3391
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:27,931
chromosomes where do they come from and

3392
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:29,730
how did they get there and are they a

3393
02:20:34,310 --> 02:20:31,530
what actually makes us who we are today

3394
02:20:37,341 --> 02:20:34,320
you know the fact that we only use quote

3395
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:37,351
uncle but 90% of our of our brain is not

3396
02:20:41,961 --> 02:20:39,690
absolutely actually used for thinking

3397
02:20:44,961 --> 02:20:41,971
but maybe just you know controlling our

3398
02:20:48,020 --> 02:20:44,971
body I don't believe that that it's

3399
02:20:50,121 --> 02:20:48,030
capable of only using 10% you know we

3400
02:20:51,831 --> 02:20:50,131
can think of processes faster than any

3401
02:20:53,631 --> 02:20:51,841
supercomputer the way our brain

3402
02:20:57,470 --> 02:20:53,641
functions is just an instantaneous

3403
02:20:59,751 --> 02:20:57,480
decision based on an analysis fire you

3404
02:21:01,761 --> 02:20:59,761
know let's take a jet fighter having to

3405
02:21:04,071 --> 02:21:01,771
make a last-minute turn to avoid

3406
02:21:05,901 --> 02:21:04,081
clipping an enemy plane coming at him

3407
02:21:08,390 --> 02:21:05,911
you know that is not something you could

3408
02:21:09,651 --> 02:21:08,400
program with a computer and if you could

3409
02:21:11,390 --> 02:21:09,661
it would be too big to fit in the

3410
02:21:13,671 --> 02:21:11,400
airplane well of course nowadays we try

3411
02:21:16,161 --> 02:21:13,681
with our automobile technology to

3412
02:21:18,081 --> 02:21:16,171
program in things like well it's senses

3413
02:21:20,270 --> 02:21:18,091
by radar or whatever senses an

3414
02:21:22,220 --> 02:21:20,280
approaching vehicle so the brakes are

3415
02:21:24,051 --> 02:21:22,230
activated things like that where you get

3416
02:21:26,180 --> 02:21:24,061
into the wrong lane and it gives you a

3417
02:21:27,470 --> 02:21:26,190
signal I've tried a couple of cars to do

3418
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:27,480
that and they're just downright annoying

3419
02:21:31,911 --> 02:21:29,730
so we're sort of trying it anyway well

3420
02:21:34,310 --> 02:21:31,921
yeah it's like the planes that I've been

3421
02:21:37,821 --> 02:21:34,320
watching the air and what is that the

3422
02:21:39,741 --> 02:21:37,831
air disasters you know it's like okay

3423
02:21:42,020 --> 02:21:39,751
and this is from National Geographic and

3424
02:21:43,941 --> 02:21:42,030
they're talking about planes that have

3425
02:21:45,741 --> 02:21:43,951
brains for themselves and if the winds

3426
02:21:47,871 --> 02:21:45,751
not right it tries to take off again

3427
02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:47,881
will it caused a big Air France disaster

3428
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:50,610
you know because it wasn't there wasn't

3429
02:21:55,461 --> 02:21:52,650
no altitude for it to take off with

3430
02:21:56,970 --> 02:21:55,471
anyway so basic things of course that

3431
02:21:58,860 --> 02:21:56,980
you can't program

3432
02:22:00,720 --> 02:21:58,870
yet at least from our current state of

3433
02:22:03,210 --> 02:22:00,730
technology so even though we have super

3434
02:22:04,740 --> 02:22:03,220
computers in our pockets such as iPhones

3435
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:04,750
and Android phones well they're not

3436
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:06,730
super computers compared to the human

3437
02:22:10,830 --> 02:22:09,040
brain hey neighbors we do want to hear

3438
02:22:12,421 --> 02:22:10,840
from you we want to hear what you like

3439
02:22:15,360 --> 02:22:12,431
and what you don't like about the power

3440
02:22:17,370 --> 02:22:15,370
cast you can write us news at the power

3441
02:22:20,520 --> 02:22:17,380
cast com that's news at the power cast

3442
02:22:23,460 --> 02:22:20,530
calm I promise we will read each and

3443
02:22:25,710 --> 02:22:23,470
every letter we get we have yari

3444
02:22:28,290 --> 02:22:25,720
Mikola from the dimensions own the

3445
02:22:30,210 --> 02:22:28,300
dimensions own comm is the site I'm Jean

3446
02:22:40,110 --> 02:22:30,220
Steinberg our co-host is Chris O'Brien

3447
02:22:42,540 --> 02:22:40,120
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3450
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3451
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the dimension zone talking to us from

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his palatial estate in the hague

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attic or something is it we call this

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our palatial estate it's actually quite

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slanted roasts I feel like I'm on the

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Starship Enterprise for the slanted

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walls but a nice no the only imitation I

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do in my entire life I just did it and I

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failed at it ladies and gentlemen please

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please don't tell me about my bad jokes

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dirty mail about our origins you know in

3571
02:28:01,559 --> 02:27:58,680
2012 and and UFOs and alien abductions

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02:28:04,349 --> 02:28:01,569
you have to stop and wonder how much of

3573
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it is due to the fact that in 2012 that

3574
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may be genetic code it's going to be

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turned on and we're gonna be given this

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awakening you know there's this Nibiru

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is supposed to be headed this direction

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you know it's just like there's just so

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many things that people talk about it's

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hard to disseminate what's fact and

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what's fiction and the whole objective

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of you know what I do and what the

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dimension zone is all about is letting

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people who have a valid argument post

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what it is that they have and discuss it

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we're more than willing to print it you

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know in the journal but it did the

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say and to try to say it as

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supposition so give us some objective

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evidence as to why you have reached a

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conclusion okay let's talk about the

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conclusion that we might be referring to

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here in another sense which is okay we

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may have something happen in 2012 for

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whatever reason maybe not I mean in the

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past we say it's going to happen this

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time we're gonna have a global

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catastrophe in the year 2000 because of

3603
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y2k and of course they so lots of

3604
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computers people made lots of money but

3605
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nothing happened

3606
02:29:21,631 --> 02:29:18,160
okay so we don't know if it's gonna

3607
02:29:23,730 --> 02:29:21,641
happen or not but what about disclosure

3608
02:29:27,060 --> 02:29:23,740
I mean we always bring this up in the

3609
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UFO field a nasty subject from the 1950s

3610
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with major Donald Kehoe they said well

3611
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the government knows this they know that

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ETS out there they're going to tell us

3613
02:29:39,810 --> 02:29:37,170
so in 2011 they're still not telling us

3614
02:29:42,450 --> 02:29:39,820
well I think they never intended to tell

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us and maybe they really don't know a

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lot either yeah you know I remember the

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02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:49,030
event being talked about in school one

3618
02:29:54,060 --> 02:29:52,570
time about the Los Angeles war over Los

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Angeles was during World War two so

3620
02:30:00,091 --> 02:29:55,450
before I was born

3621
02:30:01,620 --> 02:30:00,101
I'm old but not that old and it was UFO

3622
02:30:04,520 --> 02:30:01,630
that was spotted in the military fired

3623
02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:04,530
upon it and the thing is just said

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people that were talking about it on the

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radio were very adamant that they

3626
02:30:13,980 --> 02:30:11,860
actually saw this UFO and it was like

3627
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:13,990
nothing they had ever seen before and in

3628
02:30:18,570 --> 02:30:16,240
1945 some of the stuff they talked about

3629
02:30:22,350 --> 02:30:18,580
we're just not even science fiction

3630
02:30:25,051 --> 02:30:22,360
ideas yet so the thing is just have they

3631
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been around are they gonna be around and

3632
02:30:29,490 --> 02:30:27,910
are they gonna make themselves known and

3633
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:29,500
the question is are we being prepared

3634
02:30:31,980 --> 02:30:30,130
for that

3635
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:31,990
are we being prepped because it'll

3636
02:30:36,900 --> 02:30:34,090
destroy every religion that's on this

3637
02:30:39,511 --> 02:30:36,910
content on this planet and make us look

3638
02:30:42,030 --> 02:30:39,521
at things differently know if it'll

3639
02:30:45,780 --> 02:30:42,040
destroy every religion the Vatican has

3640
02:30:48,900 --> 02:30:45,790
already started doing is making

3641
02:30:51,030 --> 02:30:48,910
statements that are inclusive of any

3642
02:30:55,200 --> 02:30:51,040
sort of other life-form out there that

3643
02:31:02,060 --> 02:30:55,210
you're right you can't put a lid or a

3644
02:31:07,910 --> 02:31:04,711
telescope in Arizona for that yes it's

3645
02:31:09,631 --> 02:31:07,920
just up the road for me awesome kind of

3646
02:31:12,211 --> 02:31:09,641
sorry I didn't mean to interrupt

3647
02:31:14,011 --> 02:31:12,221
that's all right well it my point is

3648
02:31:17,730 --> 02:31:14,021
this is I think that there is a process

3649
02:31:21,330 --> 02:31:17,740
underway at least in the in the Vatican

3650
02:31:22,770 --> 02:31:21,340
and and in certain portions of

3651
02:31:26,310 --> 02:31:22,780
Christianity at least I think they're

3652
02:31:29,690 --> 02:31:26,320
slowly slowly you know preparing me the

3653
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:29,700
faithful for an eventual disclosure but

3654
02:31:34,610 --> 02:31:31,610
I think what I'm hearing you say is that

3655
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:34,620
disclosure is going to be on the part of

3656
02:31:38,960 --> 02:31:37,050
the et so we're not going to have a true

3657
02:31:41,091 --> 02:31:38,970
disclosure with a big D as Steven

3658
02:31:42,890 --> 02:31:41,101
Bassett says from the government that if

3659
02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:42,900
anything is disclosed it'll be the ETS

3660
02:31:48,280 --> 02:31:45,090
it'll make their presence known as in

3661
02:31:51,020 --> 02:31:48,290
childhoods and independent stage style

3662
02:31:54,110 --> 02:31:51,030
you know undeniable presence in other

3663
02:31:55,460 --> 02:31:54,120
words is that correct I agree I think

3664
02:31:57,350 --> 02:31:55,470
that's totally what's going to happen

3665
02:31:59,030 --> 02:31:57,360
and I don't believe there's only one

3666
02:32:02,720 --> 02:31:59,040
alien race out there I think there's

3667
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:02,730
multiple alien races you know about if

3668
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:05,130
you think about how perfect this planet

3669
02:32:10,850 --> 02:32:07,410
is and everything that had to happen for

3670
02:32:12,410 --> 02:32:10,860
it to exist and how far away it is from

3671
02:32:14,930 --> 02:32:12,420
anything else that could even be

3672
02:32:19,400 --> 02:32:14,940
remotely like it which we have yet to

3673
02:32:20,810 --> 02:32:19,410
identify or find it's very rare and to

3674
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:20,820
take a look at what we're doing to this

3675
02:32:26,511 --> 02:32:24,000
planet you know it's like okay guys we

3676
02:32:28,310 --> 02:32:26,521
might have to intervene here but then

3677
02:32:31,671 --> 02:32:28,320
again are there those factions to want

3678
02:32:35,150 --> 02:32:31,681
to eradicate the disease and clean the

3679
02:32:37,610 --> 02:32:35,160
planet up namely ie humans or are those

3680
02:32:39,620 --> 02:32:37,620
that are really want to help us to clean

3681
02:32:41,900 --> 02:32:39,630
it up because we haven't been able to to

3682
02:32:44,120 --> 02:32:41,910
catch of ourselves well I think if

3683
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:44,130
anything that the ecosystem is what's

3684
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:46,170
valuable and we're like you said we're

3685
02:32:51,650 --> 02:32:48,650
like a virus that's messing up this

3686
02:32:53,690 --> 02:32:51,660
incredible diverse you know the

3687
02:32:54,830 --> 02:32:53,700
biodiversity on this planet is is just

3688
02:32:57,140 --> 02:32:54,840
absolutely amazing

3689
02:32:59,450 --> 02:32:57,150
and that may be the focus of their of

3690
02:33:02,960 --> 02:32:59,460
their you know attention here is the

3691
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:02,970
actual biosphere imagine a blackout well

3692
02:33:07,250 --> 02:33:05,610
we have no more electricity we have no

3693
02:33:10,131 --> 02:33:07,260
more oil or we have no more

3694
02:33:12,530 --> 02:33:10,141
communication with computers how would

3695
02:33:15,591 --> 02:33:12,540
that affect you know we'd be plunged

3696
02:33:17,780 --> 02:33:15,601
back into another Dark Ages yeah we'd be

3697
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:17,790
forced to live off the land cities like

3698
02:33:23,030 --> 02:33:20,370
New York and Los Angeles and Chicago and

3699
02:33:25,190 --> 02:33:23,040
London and Moscow would not exist people

3700
02:33:28,310 --> 02:33:25,200
could not say you know sustain

3701
02:33:30,440 --> 02:33:28,320
themselves in those cities the thing is

3702
02:33:32,240 --> 02:33:30,450
is - could we go back to what it was

3703
02:33:35,450 --> 02:33:32,250
like you know in the 13th century

3704
02:33:37,960 --> 02:33:35,460
probably if we had to how many people

3705
02:33:41,030 --> 02:33:37,970
could survive without a Walmart or a

3706
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:41,040
king super well kids could survive

3707
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:43,170
without texting yeah

3708
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:46,880
I think born with photos in their ears I

3709
02:33:51,020 --> 02:33:49,200
hate to think about the effect to their

3710
02:33:52,640 --> 02:33:51,030
hearing though now let's see what

3711
02:33:54,200 --> 02:33:52,650
texting I they're gonna have to come up

3712
02:33:55,910 --> 02:33:54,210
with a new news

3713
02:33:57,980 --> 02:33:55,920
you know what the Pedic disease you know

3714
02:34:00,890 --> 02:33:57,990
carpal thumb syndrome or something

3715
02:34:02,330 --> 02:34:00,900
where's the sign we whole bunch of my

3716
02:34:05,570 --> 02:34:02,340
friends and myself learned how to sign

3717
02:34:07,780 --> 02:34:05,580
so he was signed to each other so we

3718
02:34:10,750 --> 02:34:07,790
weren't talking in class but we were

3719
02:34:14,270 --> 02:34:10,760
yeah so what we're just talking about

3720
02:34:16,940 --> 02:34:14,280
it's like it's late for me guys it's the

3721
02:34:18,500 --> 02:34:16,950
changes of society that we might be

3722
02:34:20,540 --> 02:34:18,510
undergoing whether this could be an end

3723
02:34:24,110 --> 02:34:20,550
game whether in our lifetime we'll see a

3724
02:34:26,330 --> 02:34:24,120
resolution to the UFO enigma and you

3725
02:34:27,740 --> 02:34:26,340
know they're various and sundry opinions

3726
02:34:30,290 --> 02:34:27,750
as to what's going on whether or not

3727
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:30,300
actually the government's have answers

3728
02:34:34,490 --> 02:34:32,640
or they hate to admit they have no

3729
02:34:37,640 --> 02:34:34,500
answers they don't know what's going on

3730
02:34:39,500 --> 02:34:37,650
in one minute or slightly more yari

3731
02:34:41,990 --> 02:34:39,510
would you tell our listeners more about

3732
02:34:44,270 --> 02:34:42,000
the dimensions zone well the dimensions

3733
02:34:46,610 --> 02:34:44,280
own is really to cover all of the

3734
02:34:52,250 --> 02:34:46,620
anomalous Sciences from cryptozoology

3735
02:34:56,120 --> 02:34:52,260
alien abduction the mystics the UFOs the

3736
02:34:58,160 --> 02:34:56,130
the paranormal the psychics and and just

3737
02:35:00,080 --> 02:34:58,170
basically given a well-rounded bit of

3738
02:35:04,280 --> 02:35:00,090
information and ability for people to

3739
02:35:05,900 --> 02:35:04,290
pull up a one source kind of place for

3740
02:35:09,830 --> 02:35:05,910
all of the sciences that would be

3741
02:35:11,780 --> 02:35:09,840
considered anomalous and they're

3742
02:35:14,210 --> 02:35:11,790
contributed by very many people all

3743
02:35:15,740 --> 02:35:14,220
around the world so it's just it's a

3744
02:35:18,110 --> 02:35:15,750
joint venture by a lot of people who

3745
02:35:21,440 --> 02:35:18,120
love what we do it's all free it's all

3746
02:35:24,350 --> 02:35:21,450
free okay now this is at the dimensions

3747
02:35:25,940 --> 02:35:24,360
own that come now are you going to have

3748
02:35:27,770 --> 02:35:25,950
any print stuff or is it all gonna be

3749
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:27,780
online well we're gonna be released in

3750
02:35:32,780 --> 02:35:29,520
our magazine in January and of course it

3751
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:32,790
will had advertising in it in 2012

3752
02:35:38,990 --> 02:35:35,010
I'm sorry September we're gonna be

3753
02:35:41,390 --> 02:35:39,000
releasing in this September of 2011

3754
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:41,400
we're to be releasing our new issue of

3755
02:35:45,950 --> 02:35:43,850
the journal of anomalous Sciences and

3756
02:35:48,350 --> 02:35:45,960
that'll have advertised and they'll be

3757
02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:48,360
advertising within the website so we

3758
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:50,160
hope to pay for the website and the

3759
02:35:54,890 --> 02:35:52,080
efforts that we put into this through

3760
02:35:56,480 --> 02:35:54,900
that so that it all can be free Chris

3761
02:35:57,070 --> 02:35:56,490
O'Brien where do we find more of your

3762
02:35:59,410 --> 02:35:57,080
goodies

3763
02:36:01,750 --> 02:35:59,420
well you can go to my website our

3764
02:36:03,849 --> 02:36:01,760
strange planet calm it is a strange

3765
02:36:06,730 --> 02:36:03,859
planet in its our strange planet plus

3766
02:36:08,309 --> 02:36:06,740
I'm lurking about on the forum as one of

3767
02:36:10,660 --> 02:36:08,319
the moderators and administers

3768
02:36:13,360 --> 02:36:10,670
administrators for the upper caste

3769
02:36:14,920 --> 02:36:13,370
forums and of course tune in every

3770
02:36:16,960 --> 02:36:14,930
Sunday and listen to me here or on the

3771
02:36:20,170 --> 02:36:16,970
archives now let me talk about the forms

3772
02:36:22,719 --> 02:36:20,180
for a moment I know that when ya harima

3773
02:36:24,250 --> 02:36:22,729
colas episode is heard in our forums

3774
02:36:26,380 --> 02:36:24,260
there gonna be lots and lots of

3775
02:36:28,660 --> 02:36:26,390
questions especially you know be frank

3776
02:36:30,730 --> 02:36:28,670
about it about the fact that you say you

3777
02:36:33,130 --> 02:36:30,740
think they may be some Providence to

3778
02:36:35,710 --> 02:36:33,140
some or at least some of Stan Roman

3779
02:36:37,630 --> 02:36:35,720
exclaims next week on the power cast

3780
02:36:40,719 --> 02:36:37,640
we'll talk to James carry on

3781
02:36:42,490 --> 02:36:40,729
he's a former director of MUFON and now

3782
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:42,500
we're hearing all sorts of troubles of

3783
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:44,720
MU Fonz having state directors being

3784
02:36:49,330 --> 02:36:47,359
dismissed all that James carrion will

3785
02:36:50,559 --> 02:36:49,340
give us his point of view about the

3786
02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:50,569
entire situation

3787
02:36:56,050 --> 02:36:54,050
a special thank you for Yuri Nicola for

3788
02:37:02,719 --> 02:36:56,060
joining us this week on the power cast

3789
02:37:07,710 --> 02:37:05,340
is this calibrated presentation of

3790
02:37:10,340 --> 02:37:07,720
making the impossible incorporated tune

3791
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:10,350
in next week for a new adventure in